Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace

2009-04-05 Thread Marcel Offermans
Hello Jason, On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:09 , Jason van Zyl wrote: Equinox p2 was designed to replace the aging Update Manager in Eclipse. It focusses on installing Eclipse-based applications from scratch and updating them and can be extended to manage other types of artifacts. If you look at the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace

2009-04-05 Thread Jason van Zyl
I know the OBR specification was written years ago, and I'm aware Felix shipped with an implementation of it. As I said Oleg and I looked at it. I honestly just found p2 more useful and couldn't find any real examples of anyone using OBR. I don't know what happened in OSGi land and I

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace

2009-04-05 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 5-Apr-09, at 2:46 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote: Hello Jason, On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:09 , Jason van Zyl wrote: Equinox p2 was designed to replace the aging Update Manager in Eclipse. It focusses on installing Eclipse-based applications from scratch and updating them and can be extended to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace

2009-04-05 Thread Karl Pauls
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jason van Zyl jvan...@sonatype.com wrote: On 5-Apr-09, at 2:46 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote: Hello Jason, On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:09 , Jason van Zyl wrote: Equinox p2 was designed to replace the aging Update Manager in Eclipse. It focusses on installing

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace

2009-04-05 Thread Jason van Zyl
I'm suggesting that you two groups figure out how to work together on a very hard problem. I'm also saying that you are unlikely to out do the 5 man years in p2 already. As I said in the previous email if you want to make a competing system that's fine. But don't couch the proposal as

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace

2009-04-05 Thread Karl Pauls
I'm not sure I understand what your problem with this proposal is exactly but I sure would like to. Let me try to get some things clear in order to be able to get to the bottom of this. Don't let any previous comments side-track you and lets try to focus on the proposal: I don't see where the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace

2009-04-05 Thread Jason van Zyl
I have no problem with it per se. You guys should go for it. It's your effort and I'm not trying stop you but only draw some attention to the surrounding environment. I think the proposal should attempt to be a little more clear about but that's was a request not something I was

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace

2009-04-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Jason van Zyl jvan...@sonatype.com wrote: As I said in the previous email if you want to make a competing system that's fine. But don't couch the proposal as something that's new and hasn't been addressed elsewhere because it has. Jason, I don't know why you

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace

2009-04-05 Thread Jason van Zyl
There's nothing for me to be insincere about. Beyond providing some context for most people that don't know I am not going to expend any effort on implementation, but I would be happy to talk about the problem of provisioning which is why I gave a +1. So it's in the hands of those that