Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
If an objective of a podding is to build a diversified community then perhaps it should be an explicitly defined graduation criteria? In fact, earlier I have raised exactly the same question about Tez but I don't think it ever been satisfactory answered. As for chances of a project to stick with

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-16 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Jul 2014, at 8:05, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: That's actually the part of the thread that I have a lot of interest in. Is there

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi, it looks interesting. Do you have an idea about the interactions with other projects (Knox, Shiro, Syncope, whatever) ? Regards JB On 07/15/2014 04:16 AM, Selvamohan Neethiraj wrote: Apache Argus Proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ArgusProposal) == Abstract == Argus is a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Chris Douglas
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org wrote: If an objective of a podding is to build a diversified community then perhaps it should be an explicitly defined graduation criteria? In fact, earlier I have raised exactly the same question about Tez but I don't

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Ted Dunning
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote: So, I am fond of Henry's hope that the project will solicit a more diversified set of mentors and initial committers. The committer and PPMC list should be honest. If there is no diversity, that fact must be visible

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Henry Saputra
HI, Just curious if you could give reference to Apache encourages disjoint teams to form independent projects, even when those projects overlap in scope statement ? - Henry On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Selvamohan Neethiraj sneethi...@hortonworks.com wrote: Apache Argus Proposal

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Henry Saputra
Definitely +1, active members, with lack diversity, are more useful. My original comment was to suggest having mentors come from different organizations so hopefully could help provide different perspectives and inputs to the podling. Never my intention to suggest false diversity to start an

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Andreas Neumann
Is it worth a thought to require that new podlings find a champion who is not employed by the same organization? On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely +1, active members, with lack diversity, are more useful. My original comment was to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Alejandro Abdelnur
There is some overlap between the goals of Argus and Apache Sentry. Apache encourages disjoint teams to form independent projects, even when those projects overlap in scope. Additionally, we feel that the distinct code bases, development teams, and different approaches to the problem should

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: HI, Just curious if you could give reference to Apache encourages disjoint teams to form independent projects, even when those projects overlap in scope statement ? Henry, It generally comes from the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote: The committer and PPMC list should be honest. If there is no diversity, that fact must be visible for it to be tracked. a big +1 Chris, I know you are pretty overloaded at the moment with podlings, but would you be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Alejandro Abdelnur t...@cloudera.com wrote: Have you considered reaching out to the Sentry community to see if they would be interested in bringing Argus existing code base into Sentry? We did consider it, but decided that the challenge of integrating the two

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Don Bosco Durai
Hi JB We will be centralizing the administration and auditing for Knox. And we will be also standardizing the authentication for web applications for all components within Hadoop ecosystem, for which we might consider Shiro. I would like to understand more about Syncope and see how production

Reviewing license / notice and bundled software

2014-07-16 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Last few times I've reviewed LICENSE / NOTICE files in projects it ends up being quite difficult knowing what exactly has been bundled and exactly how those bits of included software are licensed. In particular some software (i.e. bootstap) have moved form an Apache license to an MIT one

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal

2014-07-16 Thread Andrew Purtell
This statement might not be quite right: Even within Hadoop complex eco-system, each components have limited or no security controls. How do you define the 'Hadoop complex eco-system'? If that definition includes projects such as HBase, we have significant security controls, so that wouldn't be