Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-13 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > > > - the PPMC has no legal standing, so no need for board notification > i'm not sure about this. roy seems very convinced that PPMCs are > official committees. IMO, he's wrong. The Incubator PMC is the s

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 10/12/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Garrett Rooney wrote: > > On a sort of related note, are the membership lists of the various > PPMCs actually documented anywhere? I mean is there a PPMC version of > committee-info.txt like there is for PMCs? Hopefully projects are m

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Garrett Rooney wrote: > > On a sort of related note, are the membership lists of the various > PPMCs actually documented anywhere? I mean is there a PPMC version of > committee-info.txt like there is for PMCs? Hopefully projects are maintaining their root status files with this info http://incu

RE: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Garrett Rooney asked: > are the membership lists of the various PPMCs actually documented anywhere? They SHOULD be in the status file, but generally are not. Coincidentally, I had this very discussion with David Reid earlier in the week, and am looking forward to seeing his proposal for managing

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 10/10/06, Jean T. Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Given recent PPMC discussions on general@, it has been on my mind to add a section titled "Voting in a new PPMC member" to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html Brian McCallister and I chatted about this at the hackathon. Since havi

RE: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: > > > - the PPMC has no legal standing, so no need for board notification > i'm not sure about this. roy seems very convinced that PPMCs are > official committees. IMO, he's wrong. The Incubator PMC is the sole body recognized by the ASF's legal structure. The onl

RE: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jean T. Anderson wrote: > The suggested PPMC habit would be: > - vote in a new candidate Notify the Incubator PMC of the ongoing vote. > - ask for Incubator PMC acknowledgement ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Actually, IMO all that we really want is a notice, since the prior notice (above) would have allo

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-10 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: > It seems to me that there is no reason for the PPMC to be official, > since they have no power to actually release anything (which puts Apache > at legal risk). It's the Incubator PMC that authorizes releases. > > "All the PPMC does" is to exercise podling oversight, which

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-10 Thread Craig L Russell
It seems to me that there is no reason for the PPMC to be official, since they have no power to actually release anything (which puts Apache at legal risk). It's the Incubator PMC that authorizes releases. "All the PPMC does" is to exercise podling oversight, which should not legally encumb

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-10 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/10/06, Jean T. Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/10/06, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Jean, >> >> Your suggestion looks sound to me. > > +1 > >> > Some clarifications are needed on the PPMC page, including: >> > - the PPMC has no legal standing, so no need for

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-10 Thread Jean T. Anderson
> On 10/10/06, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Jean, >> >> Your suggestion looks sound to me. > > +1 > >> > Some clarifications are needed on the PPMC page, including: >> > - the PPMC has no legal standing, so no need for board notification > > i'm not sure about this. roy seems v

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-10 Thread Andrus Adamchik
On Oct 10, 2006, at 4:20 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: in practice i think that the PPMC will become the PMC. Sans the mentors who signed up to help with incubation, but no intent to participate in project development. Andrus --

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-10 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/10/06, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Jean, Your suggestion looks sound to me. +1 > Some clarifications are needed on the PPMC page, including: > - the PPMC has no legal standing, so no need for board notification i'm not sure about this. roy seems very convinced that

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-10 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Jean, Your suggestion looks sound to me. Craig On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Given recent PPMC discussions on general@, it has been on my mind to add a section titled "Voting in a new PPMC member" to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html Brian McCallister

[doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-10 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Given recent PPMC discussions on general@, it has been on my mind to add a section titled "Voting in a new PPMC member" to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html Brian McCallister and I chatted about this at the hackathon. Since having a PPMC is instructional, we think that it would be helpf