Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Lars Francke
Greg, thank you for taking the time to elaborate. I'm afraid I still don't understand. I understand that this is how it's currently set up. But these are our rules, we can change them. There's no law involved here, right? The way I see it: One problem we're trying to solve is too many people in

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 3/1/2019 5:12 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: >> The Board isn't gonna worry about something like that. > I wasn’t expecting the board to say anything re that, but the IPMC could of. I personally don't know the impact of that statement either.  Sometimes opinion in a report and a call to action is

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:04 AM Lars Francke wrote: > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:05 PM Greg Stein wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:00 AM Lars Francke > > wrote: > > >... > > > > > As far as I know every member can become IPMC member. So if we change > the > > > rules that every member vote

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Lars Francke
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:05 PM Greg Stein wrote: > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:00 AM Lars Francke > wrote: > >... > > > As far as I know every member can become IPMC member. So if we change the > > rules that every member vote is binding (whether or not they are in the > > IPMC) people wouldn't

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:00 AM Lars Francke wrote: >... > As far as I know every member can become IPMC member. So if we change the > rules that every member vote is binding (whether or not they are in the > IPMC) people wouldn't need to join the club. > The legal structure passes through the

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Lars Francke
If only some people are like me they joined to support a specific podling by giving their +1 on a vote. I did the same, then went silent for a year or so and am only now starting to get interested in the Incubator workings again. Maybe if we could change the requirements on binding votes for

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Myrle Krantz
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:33 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > > And most probably do not participate. Would asking for those 100 odd > people to be removed come across as friendly? > I'd be +1 on removing them. a.) While kindness towards our fellow PMC members is important, the role of the Incubator

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > The Board isn't gonna worry about something like that. I wasn’t expecting the board to say anything re that, but the IPMC could of. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:30 AM Justin Mclean wrote: >... > When it was mentioned in the board report it got no comments. [1] > > "A large number (100+) of IPMC members are not signed up to the private > mail > list, each was sent emails asking them to sign up. A couple asked to be > removed from

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > And haven't we *just* been talking about have too many cooks in the > kitchen? Too much drive-by and bikeshedding? I would guess that none participate in either lists but I guess we’ll find out. > ... I see zero problem trimming a hundred people out of the IPMC. The very > concept of

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-03-01 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 5:33 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Ask the Board to remove them. To participate on the IPMC, you should be > subscribed to private@ > > At first glance you would be asking to remove yourself btw :-) > hahaha... look, rather than glance :-) ... I've been subscribed

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-02-28 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Ask the Board to remove them. To participate on the IPMC, you should be > subscribed to private@ At first glance you would be asking to remove yourself btw :-) However I assume some IPMC members use lists.apache.org or perhaps are listed under a different email (which is your case I

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-02-28 Thread Greg Stein
Ask the Board to remove them. To participate on the IPMC, you should be subscribed to private@ On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 15:19 Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > >> Aren't podlings still required to subscribe to general@incubator? > > Hopefully at the very least their mentors are. Perhaps that would

Re: Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-02-28 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, >> Aren't podlings still required to subscribe to general@incubator? Hopefully at the very least their mentors are. Perhaps that would be good to check as well? 101 IPMCs members out of 295 are not signed up to the incubator private list. Easier this year I tried to improve that my

Whimsy general@ subs check (was: [DISCUSS] introduce "[DISCUSS]" threads for podling non-ASF release candidates)

2019-02-28 Thread sebb
On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 14:54, Myrle Krantz wrote: > Aren't podlings still required to subscribe to general@incubator? Whimsy could check if all PPMC members are subscribed to general. Should it? If so, please raise an enhancement request via JIRA. S.