Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-19 Thread Ted Husted
I would tend to agree with Jim. The commit rights never attached to "Jakarta" but only to a specific subproject under the Jakarta umbrella. There has never been any such thing as a Jakarta committer, only committers to current and former Jakarta subprojects. Likewise, there is no such thing as an A

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-19 Thread Henri Yandell
On Nov 19, 2007 12:44 AM, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 18, 2007 10:20 AM, Thomas Vandahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > > Why? W/o Jakarta, the diagrams don't make any sense. For example, the > > > Jakarta-free one has velocity's only relation

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Nov 18, 2007 10:20 AM, Thomas Vandahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > Why? W/o Jakarta, the diagrams don't make any sense. For example, the > > Jakarta-free one has velocity's only relationship to DB (!), and for > > Harmony, to DB and XML! Ant, arguably one of the

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Jukka is not subsribed, but the reason there are 5 is to kind of limit the size of the image (1 results in a huge image) Mvgr, Martin Nathan Bubna wrote: > On Nov 18, 2007 1:14 PM, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Nov 18, 2007 1:10 PM, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Nov 18, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta... Jukka's graph shows committer cross-polination, not *codebase* I don't think that anyone confused codeb

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Nathan Bubna
On Nov 18, 2007 1:14 PM, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 18, 2007 1:10 PM, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > > > > > But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta... > > > > > > > J

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Nathan Bubna
On Nov 18, 2007 1:10 PM, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > > > But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta... > > > > Jukka's graph shows committer cross-polination, not *codebase* > cross-polinatio

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta... > Jukka's graph shows committer cross-polination, not *codebase* cross-polination (as I understand it)... So yes, since most committers for most ASF java pro

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Nov 18, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 12:07 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 16, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 11/16/07, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache > projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta always ended up > dominating the graphs, so the version on my blog has Jakarta excluded. > If you're interested, there's

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Nov 18, 2007 12:07 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 16, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache > > projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta always ended up > > dominating the gra

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Thomas Vandahl
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Why? W/o Jakarta, the diagrams don't make any sense. For example, the > Jakarta-free one has velocity's only relationship to DB (!), and for > Harmony, to DB and XML! Ant, arguably one of the most pervasive > projects, has no connection to anything else... > I agree

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Nov 16, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta always ended up dominating the graphs, so the version on my blog has Jakarta excluded. Why? W/o Jakarta, the diagrams don't

Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-17 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta always ended up dominating the graphs, so the version on my blog has Jakarta excluded. If you're interested, there's a version with Jakarta in it at [2]. :-) [1] http://jukkaz.word