Re: [gentoo-amd64] SATA3/4 with MSI K8N Neo Platinum

2005-01-26 Thread Antoine Martin
On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 19:44 -0800, Joby Walker wrote: > I have successfully been using a MSI K8N Neo Platinum for a fileserver > for about four months now. And with my 2 Seagate 200GB hard drives > filling up I decided to get 2 Seagate 400GB SATA drives to add capacity, > but I have run into an

[gentoo-amd64] SATA3/4 with MSI K8N Neo Platinum

2005-01-26 Thread Joby Walker
I have successfully been using a MSI K8N Neo Platinum for a fileserver for about four months now. And with my 2 Seagate 200GB hard drives filling up I decided to get 2 Seagate 400GB SATA drives to add capacity, but I have run into an issue that I can not resolve -- I cannot get the drives on S

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: large temp difference on dual amd

2005-01-26 Thread Dmitri Pogosyan
> > (AGP/PCI-E, PCI-X, all onboard sound/video/sata/pata/network, > > etc) connected thru CPU0. The only thing CPU1 (zero based, so the second > > CPU) has hanging off it is the memory belonging to its memory controller. > > That's the way my Tyan s2885 is laid out. > > > > > I run irqbalance, an

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: large temp difference on dual amd

2005-01-26 Thread Dmitri Pogosyan
> > (AGP/PCI-E, PCI-X, all onboard sound/video/sata/pata/network, > > etc) connected thru CPU0. The only thing CPU1 (zero based, so the second > > CPU) has hanging off it is the memory belonging to its memory controller. > > That's the way my Tyan s2885 is laid out. > > > > > I run irqbalance, an

Re: [gentoo-amd64] large temp difference on dual amd

2005-01-26 Thread Nuitari
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Jason McGuiness wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:46:43 + > From: Jason McGuiness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] large temp difference on dual amd > > > Int he Opteron server which is a rack there

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: large temp difference on dual amd

2005-01-26 Thread Jason McGuiness
> (AGP/PCI-E, PCI-X, all onboard sound/video/sata/pata/network, > etc) connected thru CPU0. The only thing CPU1 (zero based, so the second > CPU) has hanging off it is the memory belonging to its memory controller. > That's the way my Tyan s2885 is laid out. > > > I run irqbalance, and irq's are

Re: [gentoo-amd64] large temp difference on dual amd

2005-01-26 Thread Simone Piunno
On Thursday 27 January 2005 00:48, Jason McGuiness wrote: > > My Dual Opteron comp usually has a CPU 1 temp that is 15 degrees F. less > > then CPU2, looking and GKRellm for a while though I tend to believe it's > > This appears to be contrary to what others see! Perhaps he is the only one with

Re: [gentoo-amd64] large temp difference on dual amd

2005-01-26 Thread Jason McGuiness
> My Dual Opteron comp usually has a CPU 1 temp that is 15 degrees F. less > then CPU2, looking and GKRellm for a while though I tend to believe it's This appears to be contrary to what others see! What is your motherboard, and case? How do you heatsink it? What is the OS (Gentoo AMD64, I presu

Re: [gentoo-amd64] large temp difference on dual amd

2005-01-26 Thread Jason McGuiness
> Int he Opteron server which is a rack there is only a 1.5C difference > between both CPUs (one 43, one 41.5). This is interesting, what is your motherboard and case? How did you measure the temperatures? What is the cooling system? Jason. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Barry . Schwartz
One thing to note about AMD64 is that if it is cheaper than other 64-bit choices then this is probably in large part because the 32-bit compatibility lets AMD sell more of the processors. Thus everyone is benefitting from the 32-bit support. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.chemoelectric.org "

Re: [gentoo-amd64] nVidia vs ATI

2005-01-26 Thread Nathan Brink
OPSS!1 sory my ethernetis realtek and the driver is in the kernel, though this mailing list works. i have yet to test it, but thanks for your opinions and help - a simple "# lspci" helped me a lot. On Wed

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Matlab 7.1 64bit

2005-01-26 Thread Barry . Schwartz
Gal Goldschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I received this warning from portage: > -- > Your current profile is subject to removal any time after 2005.07.01. > If for any reason you require this deprecated profile, please discuss it > on gen

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Problems with "su"

2005-01-26 Thread Dirk Raeder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eder E. wrote: > The thing is that I normally use windowmaker and for my parents > KDE. I've configured both desktops ok (emerge rules) but what is > my surprise that when I log in with kdm to windowmaker the "su" > command responses me "Authentication

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: XFCE 4.2?

2005-01-26 Thread Jason Huebel
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 2:50 pm, Bill Rucker wrote: > Somewhere around Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:22:59AM -0600, a message > > from Ryan May went like this: > > I've been running it thus far on my AMD64 workstation (and my x86 > > laptop) with a minimal amount of issues. I think it's marked ~amd

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: XFCE 4.2?

2005-01-26 Thread Bill Rucker
Somewhere around Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:22:59AM -0600, a message from Ryan May went like this: > I've been running it thus far on my AMD64 workstation (and my x86 > laptop) with a minimal amount of issues. I think it's marked ~amd64 > simply because it's a fairly recent release. I guess its t

[gentoo-amd64] Problems with "su"

2005-01-26 Thread Eder E.
Hello This is my first message in this list, some days ago I found it and I'm reading it daily, but now I have a problem. The thing is that I normally use windowmaker and for my parents KDE. I've configured both desktops ok (emerge rules) but what is my surprise that when I log in with kdm to w

Re: [gentoo-amd64] New System

2005-01-26 Thread bruce harding
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:16:53 +0100 Karl Huysmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Not new to Linux and Gentoo, but new to AMD 64. > > I have several Intel and AMD 32 systems running Gentoo, now would like > to build an AMD64 system and use it as my main desktop at work, mainly > to get u

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Barry . Schwartz
Luke-Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 26 January 2005 7:23 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Sure, you can use AMD64 to make a pure 64-bit server. But the people > > at AMD didn't go to all the trouble of making it possible to run > > 32-bit and 64-bit programs together with each other

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Luke-Jr
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 7:23 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sure, you can use AMD64 to make a pure 64-bit server. But the people > at AMD didn't go to all the trouble of making it possible to run > 32-bit and 64-bit programs together with each other just so people > could make pure 64-bit ser

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Barry . Schwartz
Pablo Sau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > El mi?, 26-01-2005 a las 18:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > escribi?: > > To me the multilib way makes more sense, for the simple reason that > > amd64 is not a "64-bit programming" architecture. It is a "32-bit and > > 64-bit co-existing" architecture. The original

Re: [gentoo-amd64] nVidia vs ATI

2005-01-26 Thread Max Cizauskas
It appears that I'm the only person willing to speak with an ATI card that runs gentoo for AMD64. Let me give it to you from my perspective; It doesn't matter who you purchase your hardware from. Let me clarify: Both hardware manufacturers’ drivers are closed source. Often times you'll hear

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Pablo Sau
El mié, 26-01-2005 a las 18:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Luke-Jr posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, > > on Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:46:29 +: > > > ... > > > Quite silly, I think. *Native* libs/bins should be in the default paths. > > > Stick emu

Re: [gentoo-amd64] nVidia vs ATI

2005-01-26 Thread Barry . Schwartz
Mark Constable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have nVidia gfx cards and emerge nvidia-kernel after > rebooting on a new kernel "just works" and is one of the > main reasons I use Gentoo. The nv driver also "just works" and the only 3-D stuff I've ever done is screensavers, and I prefer a blank scr

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Barry . Schwartz
Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Luke-Jr posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, > on Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:46:29 +: > > ... > > Quite silly, I think. *Native* libs/bins should be in the default paths. > > Stick emulation/compat elsewhere. > > I would suggest using /lib-x86, /lib-x86_64,

Re: [gentoo-amd64] nVidia vs ATI

2005-01-26 Thread Bob Sanders
> As always, if you stick to using only m oral software: > There are no nVidia card with 3D acceleration. > Radeons up to the 9200 models have had 3D acceleration for a long time. > Newer Radeons may or may not have working 3D accel; support is in-progress so > there should be eventually... I tri

Re: [gentoo-amd64] nVidia vs ATI

2005-01-26 Thread Drew Kirkpatrick
I can't really comment on the "morality" of a software driver (flunked philosophy), but if you're a pragmatist and care for accelerated 3D using the latest cards, I'd go with Nvidia. I build flight simulators (biguns) for the Navy, guess what our graphics linux clusters use. Nvidia. Guess what our

Re: [gentoo-amd64] nVidia vs ATI

2005-01-26 Thread Luke-Jr
As always, if you stick to using only m oral software: There are no nVidia card with 3D acceleration. Radeons up to the 9200 models have had 3D acceleration for a long time. Newer Radeons may or may not have working 3D accel; support is in-progress so there should be eventually... Personally, I ne

Re: [gentoo-amd64] nVidia vs ATI

2005-01-26 Thread Zac
First, for openoffice, just emerge openoffice-bin. 32bit binaries run great on my 64 bit system. Second, I would not go with ati. While I haven't tried thier new drivers (got an nvidia card in dec.) I can comment on thier past drivers and how updates almost always break something and very rarly

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Bob Sanders
> hey, about packages that dont work, how about the nvidia-net package? > You don't normally need it. > i cant use the integrated netword card in my motherboard with the > amd64 livecd. this isnt terribly bad, because i have a few extra pci > cards, but why would a component integrated into an a

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: XFCE 4.2?

2005-01-26 Thread Ryan May
Bill Rucker wrote: Somewhere around Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 01:45:07AM -0700, a message from Duncan went like this: Masked by lack of keyword means either nobody has tried it and reported it successful, or those that did try it had issues and they either haven't been fixed yet or the patches haven't m

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: XFCE 4.2?

2005-01-26 Thread Bill Rucker
Somewhere around Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 01:45:07AM -0700, a message from Duncan went like this: > Masked by lack of keyword means either nobody has tried it and reported it > successful, or those that did try it had issues and they either haven't > been fixed yet or the patches haven't made it into c

[gentoo-amd64] Matlab 7.1 64bit

2005-01-26 Thread Gal Goldschmidt
Hi, I received this warning from portage: -- Your current profile is subject to removal any time after 2005.07.01. If for any reason you require this deprecated profile, please discuss it on gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org so the issue blocking your

Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org on 64 bit

2005-01-26 Thread Hanno Meyer-Thurow
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:29:27 +0100 Roland Baer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There seams to be an in-official patch set, google for ooo64bit02 that one is for OOo2 and work-in-progress. What i now is that some OOo developers got OOo2 source compiled without building some parts of it. But at the

Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org on 64 bit

2005-01-26 Thread Roland Baer
Hello, On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:44:42PM +, Ian Hastie wrote: ...cut.. > > Open Office from version 2 onwards should compile for AMD64, or at least that > was the plan. I can't say if the pre-release snapshot source will compile > for AMD64 since I don't know how to get hold of it. Dumb a

Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org on 64 bit

2005-01-26 Thread Ian Hastie
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 09:33, Dirk Raeder wrote: > Mark Constable wrote: > > I haven't bothered with any 32-bit workarounds but not > > being able to use OpenOffice is starting to bite me so > > what is the easiest path to get OO up and running on > > and otherwise full 64-bit system ? > > Ac

Re: [gentoo-amd64] large temp difference on dual amd

2005-01-26 Thread Peter Humphrey
Brian Hall wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 06:53:41PM +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Brian Hall wrote: > > > To keep the fans from staying at max speed, you have to use the > > > "init=0" parameter. Contents of my /etc/conf.d/lm_sensors: ...etc After only a few minutes the whole system locked u

Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org on 64 bit

2005-01-26 Thread Dirk Raeder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Constable wrote: > I haven't bothered with any 32-bit workarounds but not > being able to use OpenOffice is starting to bite me so > what is the easiest path to get OO up and running on > and otherwise full 64-bit system ? > According to the amd6

[gentoo-amd64] Re: large temp difference on dual amd

2005-01-26 Thread Duncan
Dmitri Pogosyan posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:38:49 -0700: > Commonly (OS/2 and others, not WinNT) interrupts on SMP systems are handled > by CPU0, due to a simplified software representation of the local APIC. > This could give a temperature differential. G

[gentoo-amd64] Re: XFCE 4.2?

2005-01-26 Thread Duncan
Bill Rucker posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:41:38 -0500: > Being partial to XFCE4 for quite some time now I installed it on my new > machine. However, the 4.2 version seems to have some nice features I'd > like to take advantange of and its masked for AMD64. Ha

[gentoo-amd64] nVidia vs ATI

2005-01-26 Thread Mark Constable
Duncan wrote: Well, I guess that's part of buying hardware without free drivers... I don't do NVidia anything any more because they prefer software slavery to freedom, and I'm not down with that. I have nVidia gfx cards and emerge nvidia-kernel after rebooting on a new kernel "just works" and is on

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Duncan
Luke-Jr posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:46:29 +: > On Wednesday 26 January 2005 12:19 am, Duncan wrote: >> When multilib is fully in place, /lib, /usr/lib, etc, will all be their >> 32-bit default. All the 64-bit stuff will be in the lib64 variants. > > Q

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 01:19, Duncan wrote: > Another one is that Gentoo is headed toward the multi-lib standard. Small > steps toward that end were taken last summer. 2005.0 has some substantial > steps in that direction (portage had to catch up too, 2005.0 no longer > supports -multilib,

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Installing 32 bit?

2005-01-26 Thread Duncan
Nathan Brink posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:45:29 -0500: > hey, about packages that dont work, how about the nvidia-net package? > > i cant use the integrated netword card in my motherboard with the amd64 > livecd. this isnt terribly bad, because i have a few