Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Fri, August 28, 2009 03:39, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: > >> On Fri, August 28, 2009 03:18, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> >>> On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: >>> On Fri, August 28, 2009 02:01, Frank Peters wrote: >>>

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: > On Fri, August 28, 2009 03:18, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: > >> On Fri, August 28, 2009 02:01, Frank Peters wrote: > >>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:34:24 +0200 > >>> > oh really? can mc present

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 28 August 2009, Frank Peters wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:42:00 +0200 > > Jesús Guerrero wrote: > > In kde, when you enter a cdaudio in your drive and open it, this > > kio-slave presents you the cdaudio disk in an fs-like fashion, with > > a number of folders. One folder containing

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Fri, August 28, 2009 03:18, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: > >> On Fri, August 28, 2009 02:01, Frank Peters wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:34:24 +0200 >>> >>> oh really? can mc present an audiocd as ogg/mp3/flac/wav files? I d

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Frank Peters
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:42:00 +0200 Jesús Guerrero wrote: > > In kde, when you enter a cdaudio in your drive and open it, this > kio-slave presents you the cdaudio disk in an fs-like fashion, with > a number of folders. One folder containing ogg files, other mp3 files, > other wav files, and so o

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: > On Fri, August 28, 2009 02:01, Frank Peters wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:34:24 +0200 > > > >> oh really? can mc present an audiocd as ogg/mp3/flac/wav files? > >> > >> I don't think so. > > > > I am not sure what is meant by "present an audio

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Barry Schwartz
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> skribis: > Frank Peters posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:03:51 -0400 as excerpted: > > > After reading this thread on the problems of the new KDE, I can only say > > that the best solution would be to abandon KDE entirely and choose > > something much simpler. > > That'

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Fri, August 28, 2009 02:01, Frank Peters wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:34:24 +0200 > >> >> oh really? can mc present an audiocd as ogg/mp3/flac/wav files? >> >> I don't think so. >> > > I am not sure what is meant by "present an audio cd," but mc can be > programmed by the user to accomplish

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Fri, August 28, 2009 01:52, Duncan wrote: > Jesús Guerrero posted on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:08:07 +0200 as excerpted: > > >> Just for the record, things like compiz work preferctly in an nvidia >> 6200, agp. They will work without a problem in an hd2600 which is a much >> better card, agp as wel

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Frank Peters posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:03:51 -0400 as excerpted: > After reading this thread on the problems of the new KDE, I can only say > that the best solution would be to abandon KDE entirely and choose > something much simpler. That's what many are doing. Under a bit different circums

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Mark Knecht posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:15:15 -0700 as excerpted: > Now, lest it sound like I'm complaining, I'm really not. I'm just saying > how I see the truth about this stuff. I prefer FLOSS when it does what I > need, but being FLOSS it may or may not be up to the quality I can get > from

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Frank Peters
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:34:24 +0200 > > oh really? can mc present an audiocd as ogg/mp3/flac/wav files? > > I don't think so. I am not sure what is meant by "present an audio cd," but mc can be programmed by the user to accomplish a lot of tasks based on the file type. Therefore, although I hav

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Allistar posted on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:05:31 +1200 as excerpted: > No, a static layout in xorg.conf. From what I know, the XRANDR extension > doesn't play well with the COMPOSITE extension. Also the XINERAMA > extension doesn't play well with COMPOSITE either. (WHich is why I have > two separate X

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Jesús Guerrero posted on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:08:07 +0200 as excerpted: > Just for the record, things like compiz work preferctly in an nvidia > 6200, agp. They will work without a problem in an hd2600 which is a much > better card, agp as well. Hmm, I wasn't aware the Radeons (I assume you're tal

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Paul Hartman posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:04:22 -0500 as excerpted: >> Oh and I miss the weather applet, and the kworldclock background image >> and… and… and… > > I miss the old weather applet, too. The weather forecast and LCD weather > station don't show the same kind of info when docked into

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Fri, August 28, 2009 00:37, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: > >> On Thu, August 27, 2009 17:49, Paul Hartman wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM, BRM wrote: >>> Not everyone upgrades their video card every 6 months. Most probabl

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Fri, August 28, 2009 00:34, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: > >> On Thu, August 27, 2009 21:14, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> >>> On Donnerstag 27 August 2009, Frank Peters wrote: >>> Also: network transparency. >>> >> >> mc can do whatever konque

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb: > well, I am just saying that even if Frank things highly integrated, code and > functionanilty sharing DEs might be superfluos I am thinking the exact > opposite. Well, thats the good thing we all use Linux and everyone can use what ever he/she/it likes to use. Be

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: > On Thu, August 27, 2009 17:49, Paul Hartman wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM, BRM wrote: > >> Not everyone upgrades their video card every 6 months. > >> Most probably get a video card upgrade only when they buy a new > >> computer; and m

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 28 August 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote: > On Thu, August 27, 2009 21:14, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Donnerstag 27 August 2009, Frank Peters wrote: > > Also: network transparency. > > mc can do whatever konqueror can, including ftp, ssh, samba, and some > more things that konqueror

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Thu, August 27, 2009 21:14, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Donnerstag 27 August 2009, Frank Peters wrote: > Also: network transparency. mc can do whatever konqueror can, including ftp, ssh, samba, and some more things that konqueror can't, isos, archives, etc. Oh, and it actually work, unlik

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Allistar
Jeff Gardner wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >>> I've read this part of the thread with interest. Being a KDE3 user >>> myself (on AMD64) the one thing I won't sacrifice in the eventual move >>> to KDE4 is: a triple head setup with 2

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Thu, August 27, 2009 18:27, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Sebastian > Beßler wrote: > >> Paul Hartman schrieb: >> >>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM, BRM wrote: >>> Not everyone upgrades their video card every 6 months. Most probably get a video card upgrade

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Allistar
Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Jeff Gardner schrieb: >> >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> I've read this part of the thread with interest. Being a KDE3 user myself (on AMD64) the one thing I won't sacrifice in the eventual move to KDE4 is: a triple head setup with 2 separate desktops r

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Thu, August 27, 2009 17:49, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM, BRM wrote: > >> Not everyone upgrades their video card every 6 months. >> Most probably get a video card upgrade only when they buy a new >> computer; and most don't buy a new computer every other year either, >>

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Paul Hartman schrieb: > Good news, generic USB support is coming back in latest Amarok 2 svn: Yes I know and it is better then nothing but you always have to remember to create the ".is_audio_player"-file and the syntax of the file if you want a music-folder. But it is progress that I can see. >

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Frank Peters wrote: > What does KDE, or Gnome for that matter, offer that a simple window > manager cannot? I would claim that the benefits are all illusory. > The user is deceived by the scintillating visual effects into believing > that he possesses a tool extrao

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 27 August 2009, Frank Peters wrote: > Henry Ford, the great American industrial pioneer, once remarked: > "The best way to solve the problems of the city is to leave the city." Henry Ford also praised national socialism. > > But this is pure bunk. Using Openbox with a virtual desk

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Duncan schrieb: >> But I finally got so fed up with amarok I found a different solution. >> They killed all the functionality I actually used, while adding a >> bunch of junk I'm not interested in. > > That is exact my point. Hurray a lot

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Frank Peters
Henry Ford, the great American industrial pioneer, once remarked: "The best way to solve the problems of the city is to leave the city." After reading this thread on the problems of the new KDE, I can only say that the best solution would be to abandon KDE entirely and choose something much simple

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Arttu V.
On 8/27/09, Mark Knecht wrote: > I'd love to see some little > daemon that ran on my system and noticed when something I currently > had installed was being removed from portage. Gentoo seems to provide a feed with the information (additions, removals etc) parseable over here: http://packages.ge

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Duncan schrieb: > When I first switched to Linux, I was in much the same boat. While I had > been researching a switch for a couple years, and had therefore verified > that all my hardware purchases "did Linux", I wasn't yet aware of the > difference between "Linux drivers" and "freedomware Li

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Duncan schrieb: > Meanwhile, kde4.3.0 still has issues with xinerama (what SB calls > "big screen") mode in some cases (including mine), too. If I would mean xinerama I would say so. Maybe I am pedantic but xinerama is only a deprecated extension of the X-server, that I never had installed becaus

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Duncan<1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Of course, I'd say another moral is to pick hardware that's FLOSS > supported from the beginning, if at all possible.  Sometimes it may not > be, and then one has to decide whether it's worth the negatives to go > servantware o

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
BRM posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:03:02 -0700 as excerpted: > Graphically, I notice not difference between the ATI R250 in my laptop > and the nVidia 9600 in my AMD64 Desktop. One thing to keep in mind is the relative resolutions. One of the reasons the netbooks do as good as they do with their

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Mark Knecht posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:25:01 -0700 as excerpted: > If it see this it would automatically moved a copy of ebuilds and > distfiles into some sort of a local 'in-use' overlay so they'd still be > available to me on this machine. With something like that at least then > nothing woul

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Paul Hartman posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:27:31 -0500 as excerpted: > I have an old Pentium 4 box which has a PCI-E video card. If a computer > is so old it doesn't even have PCI-E, its owner probably wouldn't expect > 3D desktop effects to work so well in the first place. I'd contest that. Of

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Paul Hartman To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:27:31 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers, > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Sebastian > Beßler wrote: > > Paul Hartman schrieb: > >> On Thu,

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Mark Knecht posted on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:56:25 -0700 as excerpted: > We need better tools for creating and maintaining personal overlays. I'd like to explore that comment a bit, but below... > Here is my story. > > Support for old hardware has been one of the downfalls of the devs > deciding t

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Paul Hartman schrieb: >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM, BRM wrote: >>> Not everyone upgrades their video card every 6 months. >>> Most probably get a video card upgrade only when they buy a new computer; >>> and most don't buy a new comp

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Arttu V. wrote: > On 8/27/09, Mark Knecht wrote: >> Moral of the story - don't trust portage to support your machine >> tomorrow just because it works today, and don't expect portage >> maintainers to care. The response you'll get, if you get one at all, >> is 'be

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Paul Hartman schrieb: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM, BRM wrote: >> Not everyone upgrades their video card every 6 months. >> Most probably get a video card upgrade only when they buy a new computer; >> and most don't buy a new computer every other year either, probably more >> like 4 years or

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM, BRM wrote: > Not everyone upgrades their video card every 6 months. > Most probably get a video card upgrade only when they buy a new computer; > and most don't buy a new computer every other year either, probably more like > 4 years or so. You can get a GeForce 9

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Arttu V.
On 8/27/09, Mark Knecht wrote: > Moral of the story - don't trust portage to support your machine > tomorrow just because it works today, and don't expect portage > maintainers to care. The response you'll get, if you get one at all, > is 'be a man, create your own overlay, be responsible for your

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:16 AM, BRM wrote: > > I have to agree with Duncan on this one. (not that that's a bad thing - I've > really enjoyed his insights on this thread.) As do I. > > Not everyone upgrades their video card every 6 months. > Most probably get a video card upgrade only when they

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: libkhtml library problem

2009-08-27 Thread Mark Haney
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Mittwoch 26 August 2009, Duncan wrote: >> Mark Haney posted on Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:58:09 -0400 as excerpted: >>> Th libjpeg.so.62 file is there (in /usr/lib32, it's part of the >>> emul-linux-x86 package). It's up to date (the package is), so it can't >>> be that (

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:15:38 AM Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers, Volker Armin Hemmann posted on Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:13:51 +0200 as excerpted: > > they do

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Volker Armin Hemmann posted on Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:33:23 +0200 as excerpted: > On Montag 24 August 2009, Sebastian Beßler wrote: >> 3) Screen-setup: I have to monitores connected to my pc static in xorg >> as two seperated displays :0.0 and :0.1. If I start kde <4.4-svn I have >> both screens on

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Duncan
Volker Armin Hemmann posted on Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:13:51 +0200 as excerpted: > On Mittwoch 26 August 2009, Duncan wrote: > By 4.2.4 (and I think for 4.2.0, maybe even >> 4.1.something), kde had fixed that. It now tries to detect if OpenGL >> will work before setting it, and normally won't let y

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Bogo Mipps
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Bernhard Auzinger schrieb: > > In my opinion duncan is one of the people around here which make this > > list very useful and the information he is sharing within his emails is > > one of the reasons why I didn't unsubscribe yet. > > I can second that.

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

2009-08-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Jeff Gardner schrieb: > > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >>> I've read this part of the thread with interest. Being a KDE3 user myself >>> (on AMD64) the one thing I won't sacrifice in the eventual move to KDE4 is: >>> a triple head setup with 2 separate desktops running compiz fusion on both. Do