[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Duncan
Brian Harring posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 11 May 2005 00:09:20 -0500: One thing that just clicked in the skull on why flat-tree has issues; currently it's possible to have a package with the same name, yet a differing category (app-vim/sudo vs app-admin/sudo). Since

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] dev-lang/icc and dev-lang/ifc candidates for removal

2005-05-11 Thread Andreas Fredriksson
On 5/10/05, Danny van Dyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * icc depends on gcc's libstdc++, so changing your gcc version affects icc and can even break it. Hi, icc version 8.1 can also use Intel's Dinkumware C++ library. It is included with the compiler and can be accessed by the -cxxlib_icc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 10:59:42PM -0700, Duncan wrote: Since our tree layout is based upon category, if you tried shifting the focus of it to packages_in anyway_, you would explicitly disallow same name packages, different category. Doesn't matter how you structure the tree, if you do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 10/05/2005-22:59:42(-0700): Duncan types BTW, it'd be very handy to have slotted bin-pkgs as well, slotted as in allowing me to do things like test a gcc4 created package, without erasing my gcc-3.4 created bin-pkg, in case something doesn't work, and without having to remember to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 11/05/2005-16:10:48(+0900): types maillog: 10/05/2005-22:59:42(-0700): Duncan types BTW, it'd be very handy to have slotted bin-pkgs as well, slotted as in allowing me to do things like test a gcc4 created package, without erasing my gcc-3.4 created bin-pkg, in case something

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 07:09:20, Brian Harring wrote: One thing that just clicked in the skull on why flat-tree has issues; currently it's possible to have a package with the same name, yet a differing category (app-vim/sudo vs app-admin/sudo). Aa flat package namespace would necessitate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] dev-lang/icc and dev-lang/ifc candidates for removal

2005-05-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 10:11:32AM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: Fine, fine this means i can remove them as soon as i pout the new versions in :-) I'm now going to package mask all of icc/ifc. Hmm. mm'kay, get cracking, they'll still get flagged in my script :) These fetching failures are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 11/05/2005-03:40:04(-0500): Brian Harring types On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 09:46:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Here's my suggestion, for what it's worth :) The layout on disk and the semantics of categories do not need to be related. Yes and no. You're assuming that people

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Duncan
Brian Harring posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 11 May 2005 01:50:23 -0500: Umm. yes? Cleanup of stuff in general is in the works, including (done when it's done) binpkg handling being tweaked, which may or may not cover the huge-ass block of requests above :) I see I

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Duncan
Georgi Georgiev posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 11 May 2005 16:10:48 +0900: PKGDIR=/usr/portage-pkg/gcc4 emerge -B app-admin/sudo That ought to do what you want it to do. But then, portage will be unable to untar-uncompress-sed/awk/whatever-tar-compress (refering to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 06:01:17PM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 11/05/2005-03:40:04(-0500): Brian Harring types On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 09:46:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Here's my suggestion, for what it's worth :) The layout on disk and the semantics of categories do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bad metadata.xml encoding

2005-05-11 Thread Fernando J. Pereda
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:13:11PM +0200, Lars Weiler wrote: * Georgi Georgiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/05/11 09:36 +0900]: Starts to smell of a cvs problem... Two ideas to handle a check of metadata.xml: 1) repoman should run xmllint 2) the cvs-server can do it during commit (like it already

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bad metadata.xml encoding

2005-05-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 11 May 2005 07:13 am, Lars Weiler wrote: * Georgi Georgiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/05/11 09:36 +0900]: Starts to smell of a cvs problem... Two ideas to handle a check of metadata.xml: 1) repoman should run xmllint 2) the cvs-server can do it during commit (like it already does

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 06:01:17PM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 11/05/2005-03:40:04(-0500): Brian Harring types On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 09:46:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Here's my suggestion, for what it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 11:11:02AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: Yes and no. You're assuming that people don't use the layout on disk for digging around without calling portage. Personally, I do. Not need to be related, but shouldn't be related. In essence this allows people to put the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tests for eclasses

2005-05-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 10 May 2005 22:19:27 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:54:33PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Is there a standard way of handling testing for utility-type | eclasses? For versionator I currently have a | __versionator__test_blah function included

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 11/05/2005-16:41:37(+0100): Ciaran McCreesh types On Tue, 10 May 2005 22:59:42 -0700 Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 1) Human. It's frustrating to do emerge sudo and have it tell you to | specify, when there's only /one/ normal sudo. The /other/ sudo | should be vim-sudo or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 11/05/2005-10:33:23(-0500): Brian Harring types The original request was having a package turn up in multiple categories for searching, right? Actually, that was a side effect. The original request was to stop moving packages around, which is the most annoying part and is also the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 May 2005 02:21:28 +0900 Georgi Georgiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | maillog: 11/05/2005-16:41:37(+0100): Ciaran McCreesh types | On Tue, 10 May 2005 22:59:42 -0700 Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | 1) Human. It's frustrating to do emerge sudo and have it tell you | | to specify,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 11/05/2005-19:06:37(+0100): Ciaran McCreesh types So we end up not using upstream naming, leading to major hassle with tarballs, major user confusion and inconsistent naming (why are some vim things vim- and others not?). Bad! Now that portage *tells* you when you need to be more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 May 2005 04:01:17 +0900 Georgi Georgiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | How do we prevent a current category/package combination like | net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager from becoming something else like | app-cellphone/gnome-phone-manager? Two options: * Smarter updates handling by

[gentoo-dev] USB Mouse, USB HID and the other goodies

2005-05-11 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi, I've been testing around, and fund that my very own USB mouse (a standard Packard Bell 5v 100mA, model IO-3UP)doesn't work when it's expected or just doesn't work at all. The problem is maybe the most strange thing I've ever seen. The device is known to work (tested on other boxes, with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unofficial Development Guide

2005-05-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 11 May 2005 22:12:08 +0200 Francesco Riosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | there is a small typo in | http://www.firedrop.org.uk/devmanual/eclass-writing/ Oops, too many metasyntactic variables... One mistake down, hundreds more to go :) Cheers, -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim,

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.11-gentoo-r7: If USB core API (usbcore) is built-in, it conflicts with the rest of usb-dependent modules

2005-05-11 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 09:10:46PM +0200, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: Hi, After some talk to gregkh, I've decided to send this message as it might give some light regarding the breakage of the USB modules when usbcore is built-in instead of compiled as module. Modules that are

[gentoo-dev] have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-11 Thread Francesco Riosa
intro: Having to patch a package to be installed with nptl I've tried this function (yes now I know it's wrong patch conditionally a package if not needed). Only few days later a user complain that the check failed (seem to remember on amd64) . what we have: At the moment have_NPTL is defined in

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.11-gentoo-r7: If USB core API (usbcore) is built-in, it conflicts with the rest of usb-dependent modules

2005-05-11 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 11:27:42PM +0200, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: El mi?, 11-05-2005 a las 13:12 -0700, Greg KH escribi?: On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 09:10:46PM +0200, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: Hi, After some talk to gregkh, I've decided to send this message

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] dev-lang/icc and dev-lang/ifc candidates for removal

2005-05-11 Thread Karl Trygve Kalleberg
Danny van Dyk wrote: Hi Brian, Brian Harring schrieb: Unless someone steps up, the intel compiler toolchain packages dev-lang/icc (intel cc) and dev-lang/ifc (intel fortran compiler) are prime candidates for removal from the tree; open bugs, primary maintainer is retired, and no devs have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Stroller
On May 11, 2005, at 8:10 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Unique ID strings for packages, zynot style. Messy as hell though, DEPEND=foo/bar {12379812AD7382164BD87678652438FC65E43A2} doesn't have the same kind of ring to it... Maybe I'm just a messy person, but I really like this. It prevents upstream

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] dev-lang/icc and dev-lang/ifc candidates for removal

2005-05-11 Thread Danny van Dyk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Karl :-) In case there are no security Bugs, i'd like to ask you to leave them in for the time being, I'm working on getting the latest versions (8.0/8.1) of ifort (how it is now known) and icc into the tree. The only problem are my time

[gentoo-dev] Re: 2.6.11-gentoo-r7: If USB core API (usbcore) is built-in, it conflicts with the rest of usb-dependent modules

2005-05-11 Thread Duncan
Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 11 May 2005 21:10:46 +0200: After some talk to gregkh, I've decided to send this message as it might give some light regarding the breakage of the USB modules when usbcore is built-in instead of compiled as

Re: [gentoo-dev] have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Francesco Riosa wrote: case $(getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION | tr abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ) in Wow, what a bad way to use tr. Apparently the author's unfamiliar with [:lower:] and [:upper:]. Donnie -BEGIN PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 11 May 2005 16:12:45 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Francesco Riosa wrote: | case $(getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION | tr | abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ) in | | Wow, what a bad way to use tr. Apparently the author's unfamiliar with | [:lower:]

Re: [gentoo-dev] have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 12/05/2005-00:26:14(+0100): Ciaran McCreesh types On Wed, 11 May 2005 16:12:45 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Francesco Riosa wrote: | case $(getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION | tr | abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ) in | | Wow, what a bad way

Re: [gentoo-dev] have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-11 Thread Ned Ludd
On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 23:20 +0200, Francesco Riosa wrote: [stuff..] case $(getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION | tr abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ) in tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]' -- Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 12/05/2005-02:13:46(+0100): Ciaran McCreesh types On Wed, 11 May 2005 20:45:58 -0400 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 23:20 +0200, Francesco Riosa wrote: | [stuff..] | case $(getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION | tr | abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Re: [gentoo-dev] have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-11 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 10:30:55AM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: Breaks if the user has their locale stuff set to Estonian. Works for me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]$ export LC_ALL=estonian [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]$ date N mai 12 10:29:58 JST 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]$ echo

Re: [gentoo-dev] have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 11/05/2005-19:18:47(-0700): Robin H. Johnson types On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 10:30:55AM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: Breaks if the user has their locale stuff set to Estonian. Works for me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]$ export LC_ALL=estonian [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]$ date N mai 12

Re: [gentoo-dev] have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:21:13 +0900 Georgi Georgiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | But the bug is only about 'sed', while 'tr' (the problem in question) | does work. Only because the tr version you're using doesn't fully implement locale stuff properly yet. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer