[gentoo-dev] Re: Creating a Sketeton System

2005-12-11 Thread R Hill
George Prowse wrote: > After some talk in the forums a point came up that we need a way to > reduce the long used gentoo system to a bare point before X but after > any baselayout upgrade had been applied. > > This script would enable two things: a person to rebuild his system > after a library ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] December Council Meeting

2005-12-11 Thread Lance Albertson
Ned Ludd wrote: > from an infra POV vs a council POV I would say here is what we can do > right away to solve this. Arch testers will get added to an alias that > fordwards to the users normal email address. The aliases will be > maintained by the arch testing leads. The arch testers will have a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Creating a Sketeton System

2005-12-11 Thread Andrew Muraco
George Prowse wrote: After some talk in the forums a point came up that we need a way to reduce the long used gentoo system to a bare point before X but after any baselayout upgrade had been applied. Isn't that what the stages are, Barebone systems? This script would enable two things: a per

Re: [gentoo-dev] December Council Meeting

2005-12-11 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 22:43 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 10 December 2005 18:13, Lance Albertson wrote: > > I think we'll be able to work out the anonymous CVS access soon, however > > it will not be implemented as stated in the GLEP. > > exact spec in the GLEP was more of an idea ..

Re: [gentoo-dev] Creating a Sketeton System

2005-12-11 Thread Curtis Napier
George Prowse wrote: After some talk in the forums a point came up that we need a way to reduce the long used gentoo system to a bare point before X but after any baselayout upgrade had been applied. This script would enable two things: a person to rebuild his system after a library malfuncti

[gentoo-dev] Re: The deal with epkgmove

2005-12-11 Thread R Hill
Kurt Lieber wrote: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 11:52:33AM + or thereabouts, Ian Leitch wrote: >> For the time being and near future, I think moves should be done by hand. >> >> What are your thoughts on this, infra? > > As for moving packages by hand vs. using a tool, that's not really infra's >

Re: [gentoo-dev] December Council Meeting

2005-12-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 10 December 2005 18:13, Lance Albertson wrote: > I think we'll be able to work out the anonymous CVS access soon, however > it will not be implemented as stated in the GLEP. exact spec in the GLEP was more of an idea ... anon cvs is available -> OK > On the other point, infra has seri

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites for media-video/dvdrip

2005-12-11 Thread R Hill
Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: > Oh well, media-video/dvdrip has many issues reported in bugzilla (some have > patches, most haven't), and depends on a version of transcode with many > issues, too (and force us to leave transcode 1 masked). > Nobody in video herd is looking at it right now, last

[gentoo-dev] Creating a Sketeton System

2005-12-11 Thread George Prowse
After some talk in the forums a point came up that we need a way to reduce the long used gentoo system to a bare point before X but after any baselayout upgrade had been applied. This script would enable two things: a person to rebuild his system after a library malfunction and also if a person wan

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] iconv and libintl virtuals

2005-12-11 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 12 December 2005 00:47, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) wrote: > Yeah, I certainly -HOPE- that it will retain its blocker vs. glibc, or > things may slip downhill on a certain rollercoasterride of party and > fun. Not to mention that they claim the same files ;) AS long as nobody does stupid things

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites for media-video/kavi2svcd

2005-12-11 Thread R Hill
Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: > Another package leaving the tree, again because of transcode1 CLI changes. > It does not work as intended with transcode 1.0 and has other problems, too. > Hoping in newer versions to come out better, I'm going to mask and it's > pending removal one week from now.

[gentoo-dev] Modular X: New dep-finder scripts

2005-12-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just updated the two dependency-finding scripts for libraries and includes. The library one should get significantly faster because of some optimizations on grepping the log; it also works better (less false positives) in most cases. The include

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:11:53 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Regardless of what you think about the current plans for multiple | repository support, the details that readers will need to know wont | change. Incorrect. Right now, readers should ignore news-blah.unread and only pay a

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 12 December 2005 09:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:44:00 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > | Repositories will be user-labelled. However, all that readers need be > | concerned with is how to extract the repository name from the > | news.unread file

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:44:00 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Repositories will be user-labelled. However, all that readers need be | concerned with is how to extract the repository name from the | news.unread file and how to then resolve that to a directory name, | regardless of ho

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] iconv and libintl virtuals

2005-12-11 Thread Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 20:40 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Sunday 11 December 2005 19:29, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) wrote: > > How will you deal with the packages that build against glibc iconv but > > not against the separated? > I'll patch them, if they are common packages, ports from Fre

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 12 December 2005 02:43, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:32:05 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > | Repositories will definitely have a unique identifier. Perhaps it > | would be better to use the repository-identifing format from the > | beginning so that

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 11 December 2005 23:53, John Myers wrote: > Well, if you take the entire spec with all its variations, then ciaranm's > points there are indeed correct (week number formats, day of the year > formats, punctuationless formats, etc.) Well as long as you always use the same format, the sort

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread John Myers
On Sunday 11 December 2005 14:07, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Sunday 11 December 2005 22:57, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > You forgot d) a pain in the ass to parse, e) inconsistent with > > everything else, f) a pain in the ass to sort, g) massive overkill. > > I find ISO 8601 simple to sort

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Curtis Napier
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Does anyone really use emerge --ask? Yes. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread John Myers
On Sunday 11 December 2005 13:19, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:57:23 -0700 Lares Moreau > | * Before an ``emerge --ask`` 'yes||no' response > > Does anyone really use emerge --ask? I do. Almost always in fact. When I want to install a package, I use --ask with --verbose so I g

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 11 December 2005 22:57, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > You forgot d) a pain in the ass to parse, e) inconsistent with > everything else, f) a pain in the ass to sort, g) massive overkill. I find ISO 8601 simple to sort -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:41:30 +0100 Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | As noted in the original GLEP 42 discussion, I strongly feel we should | use an ISO-8601 compliant date string representation as this is both | a) international, b) easy to read and c) machine parsable. You forgot

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 04:57:23AM -0700, Lares Moreau wrote: > A couple things I noted: > (1) > In News Item Identities we have the following date format, > > Each news item will have a unique identifier. This identifier will be > > in the form ``-mm-dd-short-name`` > > Later in "News Item He

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread sanchan
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Does anyone really use emerge --ask? Yes. -- Sandro -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:57:23 -0700 Lares Moreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Is there any reason why we can't keep all the dates in the GLEP 1 date | format? IMHO this helps prevent confusion. Yes. It makes sorting news items far harder. | * Before an ``emerge --ask`` 'yes||no' response Does a

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Lares Moreau
A couple things I noted: (1) In News Item Identities we have the following date format, > Each news item will have a unique identifier. This identifier will be > in the form ``-mm-dd-short-name`` Later in "News Item Headers" we have an other in order to be compatable with GLEP 1. > ``Posted:``

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Francesco Riosa
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > GLEP: 42 > Title: Critical News Reporting +1 . -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] iconv and libintl virtuals

2005-12-11 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 11 December 2005 19:29, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) wrote: > How will you deal with the packages that build against glibc iconv but > not against the separated? I'll patch them, if they are common packages, ports from FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, DragonFly BSD or DarwinPorts will have patches for t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] iconv and libintl virtuals

2005-12-11 Thread Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 18:02 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > Okay now that virtual/x11 introduced the new generation's virtuals, the > decision of waiting to have virtuals for iconv and libintl can be considered > concluded, and we might start adding them, right? :D > > Proposed virtual

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:46:01 +0100 Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > There are currently several ways of delivering important news items | > to our users, none of them particularly effective: | | I'd suggest changing this to something more constructive - calling our | current efforts "

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:32:05 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Repositories will definitely have a unique identifier. Perhaps it | would be better to use the repository-identifing format from the | beginning so that readers are forced to be forwards-compatible? | Assuming the readers

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Francesco Riosa
Luca Barbato wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> >> * Anything involving XML. >> > > What about incidentally make the format yaml compatible? > > yaml.org Only if we (you?) are able to extract a considerably simpler subset of the specification, as is it's really overkill. > > /me runs where ?

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 12/11/05, Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 01:35:50AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Although most package updates are clean and require little user action, > > occasionally an upgrade requires user intervention during the upgrade > > process. > > Recent ex

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] iconv and libintl virtuals

2005-12-11 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Okay now that virtual/x11 introduced the new generation's virtuals, the decision of waiting to have virtuals for iconv and libintl can be considered concluded, and we might start adding them, right? :D Proposed virtuals for now would be: virtual/iconv: || ( sys-libs/glibc dev-libs/iconv ) virtu

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 01:35:50AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Although most package updates are clean and require little user action, > occasionally an upgrade requires user intervention during the upgrade process. > Recent examples of the latter include the ``gcc-3.4`` stabilisation on ``x86`

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-11 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Anything involving XML. What about incidentally make the format yaml compatible? yaml.org /me runs lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Developer Gentoo/PPC Operational Leader http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list