Re: [gentoo-dev] Repoman and his automagic

2006-01-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:57:53 -0500 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I personally am against both of these, mostly due to their | automational nature. Indeed. Repoman is significantly stupider than most developers. This is just asking for trouble. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Ki

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: RFC: emerge snapshots

2006-01-27 Thread Marcelo Góes
On 1/27/06, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > attempt at adding a bit of humor to what otherwise might get too dry > and technical to be tolerable. This list _is_ for technical discussion. Please keep it that way. Thanks. -- Marcelo Góes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: RFC: emerge snapshots

2006-01-27 Thread Duncan
Stephen Bennett posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:31:32 +: > On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:08:40 -0700 > Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Neither here nor there, but for some reason, I prefer "emerge -NuD >> world". =8^) > > Especially since you just said yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Repoman and his automagic

2006-01-27 Thread Lares Moreau
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 18:57 -0500, Alec Warner wrote: > There are a couple of bugs against repoman that request repoman detect > and do things for the developer. The two cases are: > > repoman does not auto-commit new license files[1] > repoman should cvs add files/ if it isn't already[2] > > [1

[gentoo-dev] Repoman and his automagic

2006-01-27 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There are a couple of bugs against repoman that request repoman detect and do things for the developer. The two cases are: repoman does not auto-commit new license files[1] repoman should cvs add files/ if it isn't already[2] I personally am against

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: emerge snapshots

2006-01-27 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:08:40 -0700 Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neither here nor there, but for some reason, I prefer "emerge -NuD > world". =8^) Especially since you just said yourself it was irrelevant, I'm at a loss to see quite why you felt the need to tell us this. -- gentoo-dev@gent

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: emerge snapshots

2006-01-27 Thread Duncan
Sven Vermeulen posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:00:40 +0100: > (since any breakage due to an "emerge -uDN > world" can hopefully be fixed by restoring the backup portage tree and run > "emerge -uDN world" again) Neither here nor there, but for some reason, I p

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Polish translator shadoww (Damian Kuras)

2006-01-27 Thread Marcelo Góes
On 1/27/06, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think he meant that we shouldn't welcome him with "use repoman || die" as > that's something useful only for ebuild developers :P Ah, but instead of repoman there is repodoc! http://dev.gentoo.org/~yoswink/repodoc/ http://dev.ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Polish translator shadoww (Damian Kuras)

2006-01-27 Thread Robert Muchacki
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:32:44PM +0100, Jochen Maes wrote: > yups polish conspiracy is growing... And will grow further ;> Witamy w zespole, Shadoww! -- Pozdrawiam, Robert 'muchar' Muchacki Gentoo Staff Member (http://dev.gentoo.org) Gentoo Forums Moderator (http://forums.gentoo.org) Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Friday 27 January 2006 16:08, MIkey wrote: > This bug (39318) has persisted since 2004-01-25, with the most recent bite > reported on 2005-12-07.  It is not a problem unique to stage1 or stage3. > Since portage apparently does not always handle circular dependencies > gracefully, the problem is

Re: [gentoo-dev] NFP lack of progress

2006-01-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:42:39 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Email's pretty simple- from where I'm sitting, there doesn't seem to | be any actual progress on trustees issues. *prod* -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Polish translator shadoww (Damian Kuras)

2006-01-27 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Friday 27 January 2006 16:37, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > Somebody please translate this to Polish? I think he meant that we shouldn't welcome him with "use repoman || die" as that's something useful only for ebuild developers :P -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameey

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Polish translator shadoww (Damian Kuras)

2006-01-27 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:32:44PM +0100, Jochen Maes wrote: > Let's all welcome Damian Kuras the way a translater should be > welcomed :-) Somebody please translate this to Polish? Welcome to the team, Damian :) ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobil

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Polish translator shadoww (Damian Kuras)

2006-01-27 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: >> yups polish conspiracy is growing... > And most of it is under my control :P Bwahahahahahaha ]:-> > Welcome Damian! :) Welcome :) -- Krzysiek 'Nelchael' Pawlik GPG:0xBC51 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread MIkey
Paul de Vrieze wrote: > Would you mind sharing the useflags you mean, and which packages you want > to build? It might be bugs in the packages involved. My standard USE flags for building a lamp server. No X, no cruft. USE="-X -alsa -apm -arts -avi -cups -doc -eds -emboss -gnome -gpm -gstreamer

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Polish translator shadoww (Damian Kuras)

2006-01-27 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Friday 27 January 2006 15:32, Jochen Maes wrote: > yups polish conspiracy is growing... And most of it is under my control :P Okay okay, RESTRICT=lamejokes ... Welcome Damian! :) -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, S

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread MIkey
Paul de Vrieze wrote: > The ebuilds are not done in that way, the problem is portage's inability > to handle this. There is no way ebuilds could solve this problem except > not having the dependency. What is needed to solve it is merge perl > without ssl support, merge openssl, merge perl with ssl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Friday 27 January 2006 15:32, MIkey wrote: > Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > First of all, the object to be as fast as possible has been dropped as > > main gentoo goal years ago. Stage 3 is indeed based on an old base. It > > however starts you with a working system in which all assumptions made by >

[gentoo-dev] New Polish translator shadoww (Damian Kuras)

2006-01-27 Thread Jochen Maes
yups polish conspiracy is growing... Let's all welcome Damian Kuras the way a translater should be welcomed :-) in his own words: "My name is Damian Kuras, i'm 20 years old and i live in a small town on south east of Poland called Lezajsk where we have a pretty big brewery. I study IT and eco

Re: [gentoo-dev] sed vs gsed

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Friday 27 January 2006 14:42, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > it does ... but in case it cant find a fully qualified strip binary > (CHOST-strip), it will fall back to plain old `strip` Which it certainly can. As long as it doesn't look in /usr/lib/portage/bin to find it. Something like: STRIP="`wh

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread MIkey
Paul de Vrieze wrote: > First of all, the object to be as fast as possible has been dropped as > main gentoo goal years ago. Stage 3 is indeed based on an old base. It > however starts you with a working system in which all assumptions made by > ebuilds about the system are true. This means one sh

Re: [gentoo-dev] coreutils: deprecated behavior not so deprecated

2006-01-27 Thread Caleb Tennis
On Friday 27 January 2006 08:44, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 23 January 2006 23:04, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > for those who dont know what i'm talking about, consider: > > tail -1 > > head -1 > > > > it would seem i lied about this (at least the first two still work) Still, the behavior of

Re: [gentoo-dev] coreutils: deprecated behavior not so deprecated

2006-01-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 23 January 2006 23:04, Mike Frysinger wrote: > for those who dont know what i'm talking about, consider: > tail -1 > head -1 > it would seem i lied about this (at least the first two still work) the source code was refactored and i assumed this to mean they cut out the backwards compa

Re: [gentoo-dev] sed vs gsed

2006-01-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 27 January 2006 03:17, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Thursday 26 January 2006 19:53, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Thursday 26 January 2006 11:06, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > > Sometimes when calling the strip option > > > of install. A strip wrapper prevents this broken behaviour once and for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 26 January 2006 17:17, MIkey wrote: > Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > The "way around this" would be to change bootstrap.sh back to building a > > minimal version of the current version that is then used to compile the > > rest of the system, including the C library and gcc itself. Between th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 26 January 2006 18:47, MIkey wrote: > The stage3 install needs to be ditched for anything other than GRP or > livecd installs, because face it, that is what it is. It consists of a > generic system precompiled for desktop use. The toolchain is literally > years behind most of the oth

Re: [gentoo-dev] bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul Varner
On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 16:55 -0600, MIkey wrote: > Jan Kundrát wrote: > > > Those are bugs against the revdep-rebuild package. > > Which is one of the suggested methods to migrate gcc. Not necessary from > stage1... How does the listing of revdep-rebuild bugs have anything to do with this topic?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 26 January 2006 19:48, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 26 January 2006 11:16, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > On Thursday 26 January 2006 16:34, Mikey wrote: > > > And those instructions have nothing whatsoever to do with common sense > > > from a new, or even experienced users perspectiv

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 26 January 2006 18:30, MIkey wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: > > Maybe you think fixing a circular dep is easy, I know I do. But when > > Joe Shmoe think it's OMG U63r 1337 to install gentoo using a stage1 > > because it makes his system so awesomely fast ( hence, The Conrad > > install on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 26 January 2006 23:07, MIkey wrote: > Jan Kundrát wrote: > > Great, there was a bug. Yeah, there was. Please notice the word "was". > > It means that it has been fixed and it isn't there anymore. So the > > problem got fixed. It's over. Finito. Period. Why are you still talking > > abou

Re: [gentoo-dev] sed vs gsed

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 26 January 2006 19:53, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 26 January 2006 11:06, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > On Thursday 26 January 2006 14:51, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Thursday 26 January 2006 05:43, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > > > Another candidate would be the strip binary which m