Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman complains about a ebuild in the tree

2009-09-13 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Andrey Grozin wrote: > So, the two directories are identical, but repoman behaves differently. > That's because repoman is context-aware. When you use it, it'll look "around" (../..) the current directory for the dependencies. If it finds the deps, it'll check if

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman complains about a ebuild in the tree

2009-09-13 Thread Andrey Grozin
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: I just tried it here and I don't get any errors from repoman. I've run repoman full -d and it only complains about ebuild.allmasked. Have you synced the entire repo? In particular the profiles/* tree? Yes, of course I synced the tree. Now I see even a more stra

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:15:34 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Ryan Hill wrote: > > Personally I don't see how gaming the system helps us in any way. > > I was afraid it could be read in such a way. Handing out fake version > numbers would be much easier, wouldn't it? I want every single packag

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2009-09-13 23h59 UTC

2009-09-13 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2009-09-13 23h59 UTC. Removals: net-misc/netgo 2009-09-07 11:59:11 flameeyes sci-visualization/qmatplot 2009-09-07 12:01:10 flameeyes media-sound/noteedit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Alex Legler wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:08:38 -0500, Dale wrote: > > >> As has been said before, a lot of people don't go to the forums to see >> the poll. I only go to the forums to search if I have a problem >> before posting to the list. There may have been a dozen polls on the >> foru

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Alex Legler
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:08:38 -0500, Dale wrote: > As has been said before, a lot of people don't go to the forums to see > the poll. I only go to the forums to search if I have a problem > before posting to the list. There may have been a dozen polls on the > forums and I would have no idea the

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman complains about a ebuild in the tree

2009-09-13 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrey Grozin wrote: > Hello *, > > I am fixing a bug (#284080) in a ebuild > (sci-visualization/mayavi-3.3.0). I have a fix that installs on my > box fine, all deps are satisfied. I try to commit it, but repoman > issues a lot of errors like > > RDEPE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Alex Legler wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:25:19 -0500, Dale wrote: > > >> Where are these referrer logs? I don't recall ever doing one of >> those. >> >> > > They are in the web server logs. Apache includes them in the "combined" > log format, or you can add them in a custom log format

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Alex Legler
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:25:19 -0500, Dale wrote: > > Where are these referrer logs? I don't recall ever doing one of > those. > They are in the web server logs. Apache includes them in the "combined" log format, or you can add them in a custom log format. So cooperation with Infra is require

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Dale wrote: > >> Good question. How would a person know if distrowatch leads people to >> Gentoo or not? It's not like there is really any way to find out. >> > > - analysing referrer logs > - doing polls > > > > sebastian > > > Where are these referrer logs

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Not quite. If both an overlay and the main tree provide foo-1.2, > masking foo-1.2::overlay in Portage would end up masking every foo-1.2. Why? > You also need proper multiple repository support to make it work; > merely adding repo dep specs on top of a pure overlay mod

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:41:13 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On Sunday 13 September 2009 21:03:13 Jesús Guerrero wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:57:48 +0200, Patrick Lauer >> >> wrote: >> > First issue: How do I find out in which overlay stuff is? >> >> http://gentoo.zapto.org/ > > That's not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:45:59 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Alexander Færøy wrote: > >> Second issue: "I want foopackage and barpackage, but not your > >> hacked gcc" Overlays can overshadow tree packages, which can have > >> undesired effects. > > > > Support for overlay information in package

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Alexander Færøy
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 09:45:59PM +0200, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Once we have repository-specific atoms we get that for free. > Maybe we can not make it take ages somehow. Indeed. Perhaps it is time for the users to start bribing Zac. -- Alexander Færøy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Duncan wrote: > Agreed. Yes, overlays are perhaps a bit more trouble to setup than > simply maintaining normal tree updates once setup. But let's get some > context here. layman's no difficulty at all, really, when compared to > the ordinary stuff we expect Gentoo users to do all the time. G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Dale wrote: > Good question. How would a person know if distrowatch leads people to > Gentoo or not? It's not like there is really any way to find out. - analysing referrer logs - doing polls sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Alexander Færøy wrote: >> Second issue: "I want foopackage and barpackage, but not your hacked gcc" >> Overlays can overshadow tree packages, which can have undesired effects. > > Support for overlay information in package.mask? Once we have repository-specific atoms we get that for free. Maybe w

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 13 September 2009 21:03:13 Jesús Guerrero wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:57:48 +0200, Patrick Lauer > > wrote: > > First issue: How do I find out in which overlay stuff is? > > http://gentoo.zapto.org/ That's not an official project, not mentioned in the layman docs afaik (feel free

Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Richard Freeman wrote: > Personally, I like the overlay idea, but right now it just isn't > necessary. In theory proxy maintainers work almost as well, and we're > not really making heavy use of this model right now. I disagree about this. One of the reasons my overlay is fun to me is because I

Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Jesús Guerrero wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:47:27 -0400, Richard Freeman >> Right now it is at least a little painful to get set up with an overlay. > > No, it's a matter of using layman -a I think Richard was including the manual setup required to use layman and the procedure required to ad

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:57:48 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > First issue: How do I find out in which overlay stuff is? http://gentoo.zapto.org/ > Second issue: "I want foopackage and barpackage, but not your hacked gcc" > Overlays can overshadow tree packages, which can have undesired effects.

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Alexander Færøy
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 08:57:48PM +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: > First issue: How do I find out in which overlay stuff is? Paludis' solution to that issue is the unavailable repository[1]. It is a repository that contains enough information about the packages in the repositories to display inform

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 13 September 2009 13:30:13 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Richard Freeman schrieb: > > Jesús Guerrero wrote: > >> Most Gentoo users will have no problem to use overlays as they need > >> them. If we had more developers we could as maintain more packages, > >> as simple as that. > > > > I actually

[gentoo-dev] repoman complains about a ebuild in the tree

2009-09-13 Thread Andrey Grozin
Hello *, I am fixing a bug (#284080) in a ebuild (sci-visualization/mayavi-3.3.0). I have a fix that installs on my box fine, all deps are satisfied. I try to commit it, but repoman issues a lot of errors like RDEPEND.bad 25 sci-visualization/mayavi/mayavi-3.3.0.ebuild:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Albert Hopkins wrote: > On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 09:36 -0500, Dale wrote: > Seriously, I doubt that the average Gentoo user comes from >> Distrowatch. >> Gentoo is born from a necessity which is very different from the >> usual >> binary distro.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 09:36 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> Seriously, I doubt that the average Gentoo user comes from > Distrowatch. > >> Gentoo is born from a necessity which is very different from the > usual > >> binary distro. Gentoo has never been about fame or marketing. > - - I came here because

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Duncan wrote: > Jesús Guerrero posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:11:42 +0200 as excerpted: > > >> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:02:44 +0200, Sebastian Pipping >> wrote: >> >>> Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a >>> table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Duncan
Jesús Guerrero posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:11:42 +0200 as excerpted: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:02:44 +0200, Sebastian Pipping > wrote: >> >> Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a >> table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up to date Gentoo is >> per pack

Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Richard Freeman
Jesús Guerrero wrote: Yeah, devs for that as well. Yup - I think we're actually on the same page. Ultimately quality matters more than quantity and everybody does what they can given the resources we have. Right now it is at least a little painful to get set up with an overlay. No, it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future]

2009-09-13 Thread Thomas Sachau
Richard Freeman schrieb: > Jesús Guerrero wrote: >> >> Most Gentoo users will have no problem to use overlays as they need >> them. If we had more developers we could as maintain more packages, >> as simple as that. >> > > I actually tend to agree with this position, however to use overlays as > a

Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:47:27 -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: > Jesús Guerrero wrote: >> >> Most Gentoo users will have no problem to use overlays as they need >> them. If we had more developers we could as maintain more packages, >> as simple as that. >> > > I actually tend to agree with this pos

Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Richard Freeman
Jesús Guerrero wrote: Most Gentoo users will have no problem to use overlays as they need them. If we had more developers we could as maintain more packages, as simple as that. I actually tend to agree with this position, however to use overlays as a valid solution for end-users we need to d

Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:02:44 +0200, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Hello there! > > > Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a > table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up to date Gentoo is > per package. I assume that DistroWatch is still one of the first plac