Re: [gentoo-dev] CVS -> git, list of where non-infra folk can contribute

2012-10-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 October 2012 04:51, Theo Chatzimichos wrote: > One of the things that would be nice to have before the Git migration is > Documentation. Feel free to submit docs in the wiki, and I'll help a lot after > the conference as well. Can you be more specific as to what kind of docs are needed? --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CIA replacement

2012-10-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 October 2012 08:21, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > Responding to no one in particular, but to the sub-thread about IRC > bots: > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:32:26 +0200 > Fabian Groffen wrote: > >> On 02-10-2012 12:40:20 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: >> > The irker prox

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CIA replacement

2012-10-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 October 2012 00:51, Peter Stuge wrote: > Ben de Groot wrote: >> > What is the source data, > > Still unanswered. I'll ask something which would be equally helpful: > > Where is the software that currently sends out emails to the -commits list? I don't kno

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CIA replacement

2012-10-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 2 October 2012 23:56, Peter Stuge wrote: > Ben de Groot wrote: >> The -commits ML is okay (tho I don't want to subscribe to such a >> high-volume ML), but we miss an IRC interface. The website and >> statistics of cia.vc were nice too. > > What is the source

Re: [gentoo-dev] CVS -> git, list of where non-infra folk can contribute

2012-10-01 Thread Ben de Groot
Thank you so much for taking the time to give us this clear list of things that need to be done to take this forward! -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Ben de Groot
On 1 October 2012 17:48, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Ben de Groot posted on Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:14:25 +0800 as excerpted: > >> Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a >> replacement service, or host our own [2]. >> Is infra already lo

[gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Ben de Groot
Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a replacement service, or host our own [2]. Is infra already looking into this? 1: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/245-CIA.vc-is-dead.html 2: http://www.donarmstrong.com/posts/switching_to_kgb/ -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo de

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Initial python-r1.eclass & distutils-r1.eclass

2012-09-29 Thread Ben de Groot
On 29 September 2012 18:20, Markos Chandras wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 09/29/2012 09:53 AM, Micha? Górny wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Instead of the floating patches and p-d-ng modifications I sent >> earlier, here are the two complete (so far, well, initial :P) >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] autotools-multilib: wrapper eclass for multilib builds.

2012-09-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 23 September 2012 18:40, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 12:33:58 +0200 > Pacho Ramos wrote: > >> El dom, 23-09-2012 a las 11:56 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: >> > On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:07:30 +0200 >> > Thomas Sachau wrote: >> > >> > > Matt Turner schrieb: >> > > > On Sat, Sep 22,

Re: [gentoo-dev] A more natural (human-friendly) syntax for dependencies

2012-09-22 Thread Ben de Groot
On 23 September 2012 00:13, Luca Barbato wrote: > Please try not fix/break what is not broken. +1 -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/3] Generate python depstrings in python-r1 (updated).

2012-09-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 September 2012 05:43, Michał Górny wrote: > I've renamed PYTHON_DEPEND to avoid confusion with python.eclass. > --- > gx86/eclass/python-distutils-ng.eclass | 20 ++- > gx86/eclass/python-r1.eclass | 35 > -- > 2 files changed, 35 i

[gentoo-dev] Inspiration

2012-09-19 Thread Ben de Groot
I just came across this again, and I think it could inspire us in some of our recent conversations: The Zen of Python Beautiful is better than ugly. Explicit is better than implicit. Simple is better than complex. Complex is better than complicated. Flat is better than nested.

Re: [gentoo-dev] media-video/vlc looking for a new maintainer

2012-09-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 September 2012 04:01, Alexis Ballier wrote: > Hi, > > After more than 5 years maintaining it (sh*t I'm old), I've > progressively lost interest in it, to the point that I consider it is > better that someone else takes care of it. So far I have dropped > maintainership to the video herd but

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 September 2012 14:01, Matt Turner wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 19 September 2012 03:18, Alec Warner wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>>> Readability is more important, and there I sti

Re: [gentoo-dev] example conversion of gentoo-x86 current deps to unified dependencies

2012-09-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 16 September 2012 21:15, Brian Harring wrote: > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 03:39:22PM +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: >> Thanks. I have given it a quick overview for the qt herd. I still >> don't see what using DEPENDENCIES adds to what we do now with separate >> *DEPEND vari

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 September 2012 04:40, Michał Górny wrote: > On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:27:17 +0100 > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:22:56 +0200 >> Michał Górny wrote: >> > On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:11:10 +0100 >> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:06:06 +0200 >> > > Micha

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 September 2012 03:18, Alec Warner wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> Readability is more important, and there I still don't buy the >> argument that the new syntax is better, and that any gain would >> outweigh the cost of changing. After all, the existing v

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 22:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:11:59 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> > And even now, people are using COMMON_DEPEND to work around *DEPEND >> > duplication. >> >> Yes, and that works just fine. I don't see what&

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 21:58, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:48:07 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 17 September 2012 20:41, Ciaran McCreesh >> wrote: >> > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:49:12 +0800 >> > Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> Or,

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 20:41, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:49:12 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> Or, even easier and more straightforward: just keep using *DEPEND. The >> case hasn't been made yet why we need to change that in the first >> place. &

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 18:55, Alex Alexander wrote: > On Sep 17, 2012 6:13 AM, "Brian Harring" wrote: >> >> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 07:32:39PM +0300, Alex Alexander wrote: >> >On Sep 16, 2012 4:55 PM, "Brian Harring" <[1]ferri...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Folks- >> >> >> >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-mi

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 13:56, Peter Stuge wrote: > Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge wrote: >> > Pacho Ramos wrote: >> >> # Pacho Ramos (16 Sep 2012) >> >> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again >&

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-mi

2012-09-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge wrote: > Pacho Ramos wrote: >> # Pacho Ramos (16 Sep 2012) >> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again >> # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month. >> net-im/jabberd > > What about the 1.4 version? It depends on openssl, so

Re: [gentoo-dev] example conversion of gentoo-x86 current deps to unified dependencies

2012-09-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 16 September 2012 09:20, Brian Harring wrote: > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:03:36AM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: >> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:33:18 -0700 >> Brian Harring wrote: >> > To demonstrate the gain of this, we basically take the existing >> > tree's deps, and re-render it into a unified D

[gentoo-dev] Lastrites for qt4.eclass

2012-09-13 Thread Ben de Groot
Since the last ebuild using the old qt4.eclass has now been removed from the tree, the Qt team wishes to lastrite this eclass. It will be removed in 30 days. All ebuilds should be using qt4-r2.eclass instead. -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI5: require ebuilds/eclasses to not use any vars/funcs prefixed with __

2012-09-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 September 2012 04:36, Brian Harring wrote: > Hola folks. > > Currently portage exposes a fair amount of it's internal > implementation via vars/funcs into the ebulid env; this frankly makes > it easier for ebuilds/eclasses to localize themselves to portage > (rather than PMS), leading to bre

Re: [gentoo-dev] About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 September 2012 09:43, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:53:20 +0200 > Pacho Ramos wrote: > >> > You can un-CC yourself. I don't see why security@ should be doing >> > the legwork. >> >> It shouldn't be so hard to do, they can do it just when they CC >> arches, instead of relayi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-09-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 September 2012 08:02, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Gentoo's bash-completion breaks when make.conf is in /etc/portage. Bug > filed back in early July and there's a simple enough patch, but > app-shells/gentoo-bashcomp has only the shell-tools herd, no dedicated > maintainer, and 13

Re: [gentoo-dev] adns & ares USE flags

2012-08-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 August 2012 05:11, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > $ quse -D adns ares > global:adns: Adds support for the adns DNS client library > local:ares:dev-libs/ecore: Enables support for asynchronous DNS using the > net-dns/c-ares library > local:ares:net-analyzer/wireshark: Use GNU net-dns/c-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Any official position from Gentoo about systemd, mdev and udev-static ?

2012-08-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 29 August 2012 01:36, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 08/28/2012 05:35 PM, Sylvain Alain wrote: >> Hi everyone, I don't want to start a flamewar on that subject, but I would >> like to know if there's any official position about the current situation. > > udev might or might not eventually get forked

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 July 2012 15:43, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:27:49 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: > >> On 28 July 2012 13:59, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> > On 28/07/12 08:22, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> >> >> In preparation for that, we wan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 July 2012 13:59, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 28/07/12 08:22, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> In preparation for that, we want to ask maintainers of all ebuilds in >> the tree with dependencies on Qt4, to make sure that they have the >> proper slot. Otherwise your pa

[gentoo-dev] Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi! We are getting nearer to a Qt5 beta release. Although it has already been postponed a couple of times, we should expect it some time this summer. This means we will start to see packages offering Qt5 support. Pesa has already done a terrific job preparing live ebuilds and eclasses for buildin

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 27 July 2012 16:06, Dan Douglas wrote: > On Friday, July 27, 2012 09:08:36 AM Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> >>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> > I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, >> >

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 July 2012 06:28, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Sascha Cunz wrote: > >> Is there a reason for not using at least en_US.UTF-8 as a "sane" >> default value? > > Because there's no one-size-fits-all locale, but it is specific to > every system so the user must configure it?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 25 July 2012 02:52, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: > While I completely understand where Fabian is coming from on all this I > respectfully disagree. Long term gentoo users do NOT read the handbook, > ever. I still install new systems with odd hacks that I picked up when > gentoo was version

[gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 July 2012 08:07, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi. > > I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have > any comments about it? > The idea is to show this news item on all Gentoo systems. Is that even > possible /

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: l10n.eclass

2012-07-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 July 2012 15:33, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:37:32 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: > >> I got a few more suggestions on IRC, and I have updated the eclass >> accordingly. Please check the attached new version, also available at >> https://gitor

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: l10n.eclass

2012-07-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 July 2012 21:14, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: > > I assume the P in PLOCALS stands for package. Not that obvious if you > ask me. L10N_LOCALS would at least tell me which eclass this variable > belongs to. Yes, as P is widely used to refer to the package. I wanted something to reflect that these

[gentoo-dev] RFC: l10n.eclass

2012-07-18 Thread Ben de Groot
Today I would like to present to you my proposal for a new eclass with helper functions for treating localizations: l10n.eclass (see the attached file or [1]). Its functionality can be used in other eclasses (such as qt4-r2 and cmake-utils) as well as directly in ebuilds. In order to keep the code

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 21:51, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 12/07/12 07:41 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 12 July 2012 17:52, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Ben de Groot >>> wrote: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 21:50, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:45:25 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> It's not that it takes all that much time. It can be done in say one >> or two workdays. But you need to set aside a block of time (and >> usually two, one for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 21:27, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:15:26 +0800 >> Ben de Groot wrote: >>> The first time I did the quizzes, it took me 9 months. After having >>> been away for a cou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 04:46, Peter Stuge wrote: > Markos Chandras wrote: >> understand that quizzes is not an ideal way to "hire" people >> either, but they worked ok for all these years > > I don't know.. Subjectively I don't think they work ok at all, since > I still haven't finished them even after m

[gentoo-dev] RFC: using array variables in qt4-r2.eclass

2012-07-13 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi, We'd like to start using array variables for DOCS and HTML_DOCS in qt4-r2.eclass, as they are already more widely used in other eclasses. Please check the attached diff and let us know what you think. Thanks on behalf of the Qt team! -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt projec

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 17:52, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> Actually, there is another workable solution, and that is to set >> USE="-gstreamer -icu" for qt-webkit. >> >> Currently we enable gstreamer by default in t

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: udev-rules.eclass

2012-07-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 07:42, William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:57:42PM +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: >> Il 11/07/2012 21:11, William Hubbs ha scritto: >> > I am about to release udev-186-r1, which will move everything currently >> > in /lib/udev to /usr/lib/udev. >> >> Unless you're g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 06:51, Zac Medico wrote: > > Here's another related bug report, specifically about the solving the > libxml2/qt-webkit/chromium conflict: > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426222 > > -- Actually, there is another workable solution, and that is to set USE="-gstreamer -i

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 July 2012 03:23, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Michał Górny schrieb: >> Hello, all. >> >> Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two >> libudev providers: >=sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making >> the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: old udev versions

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 July 2012 02:30, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > the last thread started by mgorny has prompted me to ask here on the > list which versions of udev we really need in the tree. Personally, I'm holding on to 171. I have masked >=181 because of bad decisions upstream and I want to see how the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 July 2012 11:03, Rich Freeman wrote: > Yup, this issue hit anybody who has qt-webkit and chromium installed. > > I wouldn't be surprised if that is half of the entire userbase. I would be. > We ran into another confusing icu-related issue with qt-core a few > weeks ago (bug 413541). I can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 July 2012 09:41, Zac Medico wrote: > On 07/09/2012 06:11 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> So, seems like there is still room for improvement... > > Aside from the obvious need to improve the portage behavior, we might > also want to consider enabling USE=icu by default in the profile. Enabling ic

[gentoo-dev] Lastrite app-laptop/lenovo-sl-laptop

2012-07-03 Thread Ben de Groot
# Ben de Groot (3 Jul 2012) # Dead upstream. Doesn't compile with current kernels. # Removal in 30 days. app-laptop/lenovo-sl-laptop -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 June 2012 13:03, Matt Turner wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:45:46 +0100 >> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:43:10 +0200 >>> Pacho Ramos wrote: >>> > > It treats -r300 as being newer than -r200, and so will treat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 21:56, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 2012-06-24 18:34, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> We at qt@ have been discussing this on and off. We would like to >> see a linguas.eclass happen, because already now we start having >> code duplication. So instead of this

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 06:50, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Le samedi 23 juin 2012 à 18:30 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit : >> >> It treats -r300 as being newer than -r200, and so will treat "the gtk3 >> version" or "the jruby version" as being newer versions of "the gtk2 >> version" or "the ruby 1.8 ve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 01:57, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:37:59 +1000 > Michael Palimaka wrote: > >> --- cmake-utils.eclass >> +++ cmake-utils.eclass >> @@ -20,0 +21,29 @@ >> +# @ECLASS-VARIABLE: LANGS > > Please prefix. > >> +# @DEFAULT_UNSET >> +# @DESCRIPTION: >> +# In case your appl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 02:32, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 23 June 2012 13:37:59 Michael Palimaka wrote: >> +for x in ${LANGS}; do >> +       IUSE+=" linguas_${x}" >> +done > > if you don't want to make it into an array: > IUSE+=" $(printf 'linguas_%s ' ${LANGS})" > -mike What's wrong with the or

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk3 useflag and support of older toolkits

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 23 June 2012 22:45, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Le samedi 23 juin 2012 à 14:40 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit : >> >> I'd like to know why using USE flags until a nicer solution is >> available is sufficiently terrible that it warrants a hackaround. > > remember qt3/qt4, gtk/gtk2. We want to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 June 2012 08:38, Richard Yao wrote: > Would you (or someone else) elaborate on the specific features of bash > that people find attractive? For me, it is mostly [[ ]] tests, arrays and brace expansion. The += operator is also very nice to have. -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 June 2012 05:33, Alec Warner wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Richard Yao wrote: >> Here is my wishlist for EAPI 5: [...] >> POSIX Shell compliance >>        There has been a great deal of work done to give the user full control >> of what is on his system and there is more that w

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in x11-misc/lightdm: lightdm-1.2.2-r2.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 June 2012 15:39, Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 06/21/2012 10:37 AM, Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote: >> >> yngwin      12/06/21 07:37:15 >> >>   Modified:             lightdm-1.2.2-r2.ebuild ChangeLog >>   Log: >>   Re-tidy. Restore glib slot. Drop unnec

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global useflag libass

2012-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
Committed: yngwin * gentoo-x86/profiles/ (ChangeLog use.desc): Add libass global useflag -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 June 2012 15:58, Richard Farina wrote: > On 06/15/2012 03:12 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 15 June 2012 13:24, Arun Raghavan wrote: >>> On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot wrote: >>>> On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan wrote: >>>>> On

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 June 2012 13:24, Arun Raghavan wrote: > On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan wrote: >>> On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH wrote: >>>> So, anyone been thinking about this?  I have, and it's not pretty. >>

[gentoo-dev] RFC: new global useflag libass

2012-06-14 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi, As per the discussion in bug #328245, we would like to propose a new global useflag, to replace both ass and libass local useflags currently in media-video/{ffmpeg,mplayer,mplayer2,vlc}. The proposed description is the one already used in mplayer{,2}: libass = SRT/SSA/ASS (SubRip / SubStatio

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan wrote: > On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH wrote: >> So, anyone been thinking about this?  I have, and it's not pretty. >> >> Minor details like, "do we have a 'company' that can pay Microsoft to >> sign our bootloader?" is one aspect from the non-technical side

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Cleanup of the "Get Gentoo" page

2010-08-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 August 2010 02:43, Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:34:08 +0300 > Markos Chandras wrote: > >> You should talk directly to the teams how are responsible for this part of >> the >> webpage like dosc or pr teams > > Common misconception. Neither the GDP, PR, or even Releng is di

Re: [gentoo-dev] status of releng project

2010-08-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 August 2010 17:13, Thilo Bangert wrote: > Ben de Groot said: >> On 9 August 2010 14:29, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> > sure would be nice if someone picked up the installer again ... >> >> No, it wouldn't. Best leave that dead and buried. > > Could yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Reviving GLEP33

2010-08-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 7 August 2010 02:18, Brian Harring wrote: > The thing you're ignoring out of this g55 idiocy is that people don't > particularly seem to want it.  There has been an extremely vocal > subgroup of paludis/exherbo devs pushing for it while everyone else > seems to have less than an interest in it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] status of releng project

2010-08-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 9 August 2010 14:29, Mike Frysinger wrote: > sure would be nice if someone picked up the installer again ... No, it wouldn't. Best leave that dead and buried. Cheers, Ben

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 June 2010 19:59, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:54:25 +0200 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> This is a point that deserves more consideration. One of the top >> reasons (as witnessed in forum discussions) > > Unfortunately, that's selecting a rather

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 June 2010 19:50, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: >> If #gentoo-infra bangs their moms the rest of the community deserves to >> know. > > Oh? What do you do at night with your girlfriend (or boyfriend or yourself)? > The community deserves to know! Take it somewhere else. We dont want this here. >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 June 2010 09:10, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > On 6/19/10 8:43 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: >> As long as it doesn't get actively hostile we can continue with a >> pretty large amount of friction. Read the archives of this mailing >> list if you want to see how much :) > > I think that is the poi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote: > We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural > background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a > word for please. I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. Unless Finnish is not your native language. On

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 02:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 16-06-2010 16:39, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: >> On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >>>  - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel >>>    is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? >> >> I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 02:33, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> yngwin's devaway message still reads >> >>   "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". >> >> yngwin retired.  I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him >> retire but I defin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grabs -- xmerlin, yoswink, chtekk, omp, tantive, mueli, bluebird, hncaldwell, caleb

2010-06-11 Thread Ben de Groot
I guess I should have done a proper grep on the tree before my first message. I missed a few more that are now up for grabs: media-sound/ncmpcpp - tanderson?, sound herd app-text/convertlit app-admin/makepasswd app-backup/rsnapshot - proxy maintainer needs new contact app-cdr/recorder - media-opti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grabs -- xmerlin, yoswink, chtekk, omp, tantive, mueli, bluebird, hncaldwell, caleb

2010-06-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 June 2010 21:12, Ben de Groot wrote: > As I'm retiring, the following packages I maintained need someone else > to look after them: > > media-video/avidemux - video and qt herds (this one needs a version bump) > media-video/smplayer - qt and video herds > x11-th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grabs -- xmerlin, yoswink, chtekk, omp, tantive, mueli, bluebird, hncaldwell, caleb

2010-06-11 Thread Ben de Groot
As I'm retiring, the following packages I maintained need someone else to look after them: media-video/avidemux - video and qt herds (this one needs a version bump) media-video/smplayer - qt and video herds x11-themes/haematite-xcursors - desktop-misc herd x11-themes/obsidian-xcursors - ,, x11-the

Re: Notify people about empty herds (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] FTR: media-opti...@g.o has no developers)

2010-06-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 June 2010 00:55, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:35:04 +0200 > Ben de Groot wrote: > >> Also, there are herds that have several members, but none of them is >> really active (games, most of the desktop-* herds, etc.). This also >> leads to users be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-06-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 June 2010 22:44, René 'Necoro' Neumann wrote: > Am 03.04.2010 15:19, schrieb Ben de Groot: >> On 3 April 2010 11:46, Patrick Lauer wrote: >>> On 04/03/10 11:16, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: >>>> People are constantly asking for a documentation wiki,

Re: Notify people about empty herds (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] FTR: media-opti...@g.o has no developers)

2010-06-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 June 2010 20:54, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > There is a real problem with herds that have a single or no > maintainer, the former mainly because that could very well lead to > another case of the latter, and we should certainly address both > problems, but we should create as little as possible n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [Bug 319061] media-libs/libfoo-1.4.2 update not handled by preserved-libs due to uninstall of older SLOT

2010-05-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 27 May 2010 22:52, Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 05/27/2010 11:27 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> There is no libfoo. This bug is about libpng. Don't try to hide the >> problem by renaming it. > > No, the bug is about Portage 2.2 and @preserved-libs feature. > > It w

[gentoo-dev] Fwd: [Bug 319061] media-libs/libfoo-1.4.2 update not handled by preserved-libs due to uninstall of older SLOT

2010-05-27 Thread Ben de Groot
There is no libfoo. This bug is about libpng. Don't try to hide the problem by renaming it. Cheers, Ben -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: 27 May 2010 10:44 Subject: [Bug 319061] media-libs/libfoo-1.4.2 update not handled by preserved-libs due to uninstall of older SLOT To: yn

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-12 Thread Ben de Groot
addressing before making a > world-editable wiki. If you're talking about the offical wiki, we are addressing that problem. If you are talking about the unofficial one, I can only agree. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-12 Thread Ben de Groot
nux Wiki", suggesting to somebody who is unaware of the situation that it is an official project. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
eyes a bit, but calling problems by their name is > part of fixing them. Except when someone else does it, then calling the problem of lack of leadership suddenly becomes "immature political ranting". Nice try. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 April 2010 00:06, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: >> On 04/11/2010 12:37 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >>> How about: >>> >>>> You have lately been increasingly critical but not constructively >>> >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 23:23, Petteri Räty wrote: > On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> Not if you think it is okay for Calchan to insult me the way he did. > > Could he have chosen better words - yes > Were there errors in content - no How about: > You have lat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
ontributions and hopefully you keep on that road. Not if you think it is okay for Calchan to insult me the way he did. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
ble or unwilling to do so, step down and make room for somebody else who is more qualified for the job. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
ge that makes for substantial improvement rather than managing change.” (quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership) You've just shown a striking lack of such leadership. No cheers this time, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 06:10, William Hubbs wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote: >> > Does mediawiki have captcha ability? >> >> Yes, there are a number of solutions for that. > >  I r

Re: [gentoo-dev] package.mask-ed ebuilds

2010-04-09 Thread Ben de Groot
27;s what we have overlays for. Move it to the tree once it's ready. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-09 Thread Ben de Groot
Allen, if you don't have anything constructive to add, then please refrain from adding to this thread. Thanks, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-09 Thread Ben de Groot
om already existing > unofficial Gentoo-related Wiki admins. You are quite wrong here, as Guy was one of the first to volunteer for the official wiki project. It is the bickering about its status that apparently has demotivated him. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-09 Thread Ben de Groot
o are not even part of the Gentoo Wiki Project. Any user (or dev) with constructive input is welcome. And as you volunteered, you are part of the project. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 8 April 2010 21:51, Ryan Hill wrote: > why are we setting up a user wiki when a very popular one already exists? Because some devs request things like this: > can we can lock certain pages down to dev edits only? In our wiki we will be able to. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-07 Thread Ben de Groot
t needs to be done to improve things. And yes, I want the council to call for volunteers, and where necessary to recruit people who are able to help. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

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