what you mean and well, no, I don't think is a
good idea.
lu - that prefers less rules and more people aware.
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BUT doesn't affect
ALL the users, that could be perfectly fine with that specific merged
program) could be made w/out bumping the revision
Again the key is having developers knowing what's going on and acting
considering their actions, not some set of detailed rules.
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that the trade off is :
- our time
- our sanity
- what provide to our used
- the quality of what we provide to out users.
We all try our best to not burn out while serving you the best we could
think.
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this information isn't exactly well
known =/
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could be provide a nice script that does that for you...
lu - there isn't only a solution.
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:19:58 vapier Exp $
that isn't that involving it's just run head on the ebuild ^^;
lu - anyway if is that simple it could be automated...
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- beer plans and other stuff, please bring the snacks.
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envision what
they might be, but I know they'd exist.
I'm ok with it, just I'd like to have it available as gentoo-fortune please.
(btw I'd like to see the quotebot back from the old ages!)
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.. dep for live ebuilds should work pretty fine.
PMS overlords what's your take?
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:24:00 +0200
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PMS overlords what's your take?
You need to start by identifying use cases. Are you discussing handling
cross compiling,
Yes
multilib,
Ok
C++ / python ABIs
Aargh, ehm, should we really
if I'm not sure how much up to date.
[1] http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide
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Alexander Færøy wrote:
Hey,
It is my time to leave Gentoo as well. It has been some exciting months
and I have learned a lot from many of you guys.
Was fun having you around, I hope to see you again =)
See you (sooner or later)
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in each ebuild that uses the pch use flag, make an
eclass, or build something into the package manager(s) ? Thoughts?
Enhance distcc?
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because of this forced cool down time =)
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be to this project.
Nobody is perfect, complaints about conduct can be issued in a simpler
and saner way...
Since I consider your work precious I'd like to see you back after those
2 weeks. Please try to think about how to improve instead on how unfair
this treatment had been.
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time, requirements (yes, there are some tests that
needs more ram and cpu to complete than the actual build phase) w/out
ways to opt out is just hindering our users.
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don't have test
broken on delivery.
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packages. Evenutally I realized that the problem was
gcc-4.1.2 had a supposedly executable file filled with zeros in its
file-set.
Did you fill a bug about it? I have 4.1.2 in most of my systems and they
are working fine. Sounds a quite local problem, can you reproduce it?
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... powerpc64' crossdev wasn't using the version of
gcc I specified. It was using the latest, which doesn't build
successfully. So now I'm trying to figure out how to specify the
_exact_ ebuild.
Please send me the error log, it's quite strange that it fails.
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time to check the new blender in... (help in testing
the beast would be welcomed)
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Stuart Longland wrote:
Portage itself, does take a long time to load its libraries. I'm yet to
try Paludis (I'm one of the few MIPS devs that doesn't use it yet), but
do hear good things about it. Perhaps some of the concepts used in
Paludis could be applied in portage, in order to speed up
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Luca Barbato wrote:
Stuart Longland wrote:
Portage itself, does take a long time to load its libraries. I'm yet to
try Paludis (I'm one of the few MIPS devs that doesn't use it yet), but
do hear good things about it. Perhaps some
want to move to it.
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?
Not necessary, if something like that happens would be easy fork away =P
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Dale wrote:
As a lowly user, I agree. Gentoo should not put all its eggs in one basket.
Gentoo should use whichever basket could fit...
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others to play with...
Obviously you may have other reasons to help one of the two parties.
That proposal about the social contract won't change that.
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package managers.
Task list:
- define a basic API for basic query and basic commands
- implement it for paludis/pkgcore/portage a non native language
- implement a little front-end using it (that would act as a subset of
emerge)
- extend the API to cover more features.
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in a solid base than a complete and exaustive wrapper =)
lu
PS: if the other project leaders would like to chip in I wouldn't be
offended ^^
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Trivial functionality would be already fine for most of the front-ends IMHO.
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what's advanced later.
The abstraction MUST be something better than having pcre parsing the
output of the PM default front-ends, but not that much ^^;
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the dirty stuff and let others fix their code?
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:02:47 -0100 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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but it's a Gentoo decision to not accept work credited to XYZ.
Does this extend to deleting all their previous contributions? Or
refusing to accept updates to their previous
).
That said I like places where people is nice enough to not capture hate
or show hate.
lu - that probably would always try to help people getting a clue before
suggesting them to use ubuntu.
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that is more or less a syntax nuance could be as quickly
addressed by the reporter than the developer.
lu - that now knows that -* has been deprecated in favour of or
p.mask. (could the repoman be updated to point to a bit of documentation
about it?)
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could go:
- it is long since there are many arguments touched (CoC, improving
gentoo, directions and our weak points etc)
- it touches also some questions that aren't that easy
- nobody has been offensive (yet)
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).
in the genstef vs hansmi example if hansmi just asked genstef if he mind
if he just change the masking to the proper one and just commit the
local fix he had in place to make paludis happy probably won't be much
to argue.
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Grant Goodyear wrote:
Thanks for the work on the new doc; it's much appreciated.
Despite how critical I'm being, I really do appreciate the work that
has gone into this so far. Thank you very much.
+1
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
You like to think it, but it doesn't make it true. But hey, it's so
much easier to think that I'm the great Gentoo boogeyman, isn't it?
We need a scary entity and Vapier isn't scary enough...
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.
With Gentoo, once you are up and running, releases become very
unimportant. What do you think?
that first you have to be up and running... so release early often
minimal livecd please =P
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Petteri Räty wrote:
It's my please to introduce to you Daniel drobbins Robbins.
Welcome =)
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Tóth Csaba wrote:
hal cannot install when one dependencie built with zlib USE flag..
Hal should be fixed then...
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the others too =)
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the use flag exists...
And not using user CFLAGS is unsupported and breaks things horribly on
several archs.
Upstream is willing to heard good bug reports about it possibly with
patches to improve the support on such arches =)
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it will produce the same modify)
people just rsyncing a portion of the tree will be fine, the bandwidth
to upload the thing would be minimal, if we are willing to feel the pain
we could use the same trick for the mirrors...
I'm against changing the ebuild structure.
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to see the spec and the initial implementation ^^
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touch me I'd be fine, I'm a bit against anything
overly complex solutions w/out a good reason (as in: everything you
should do with upstart you can do with the current framework...).
Even more against them if they look like known wrong ones.
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Mike Frysinger wrote:
now that the 2.6 headers have entered a sane state and are *quite* nice to
I'm looking forward to see the cvs log of the removal of 2.4
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Rémi Cardona wrote:
Luca Barbato wrote:
ffmpeg got just vc-1 working as should, all the other code got somewhat
halfway, mostly because we expected a lot. (amr and ac3 seems to have
something alive, aac isn't something that good)
The Gentoo results aren't that bad on the average, we got
dev-libs/tc2
dev-libs/tc2-modules
media-video/tcvp
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-only baselayout start I hope some automagic conversion
script will be provided once the new style doesn't have regressions.
(Still I'd rather have a C runscript with only the features we need as
fallback)
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Roy Marples wrote:
Hi List
As some of you may be aware, I've started work on baselayout-2 which is
basically re-tooling it in C. One of the side goals is to eliminate the
need for using bash. You'll be pleased to know that it's working well
enough to boot Gentoo/FreeBSD.
Hm...
So, to
packages fall under this category as well?
Not sure about them, but...
http://bip.chibs.edu.tw/MyWebs/englishWebpage.html
lu - something different that the usual j-c religion...
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Grant Goodyear wrote:
[something I'd say in a less effective way]
+1
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. A tinytr1 ripped
from boost probably would be the perfect solution =/
The entire tr1/memory implementation that's shipped with g++-4.1,
meanwhile, is something like 30KBytes. Unfortunately it only works
g++-4.1, so it's no use for bundling as part of an application.
pity =/
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
What is the best way to handle packages that require parts of tr1? The
options appear to be:
* have the application bundle a static implementation and switch to
system on at configure time as done for other libs?
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:30:40 +0100 Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| What is the best way to handle packages that require parts of tr1?
| The options appear to be:
|
|
| * have the application bundle a static implementation
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workflows since you have many
more degrees of liberty.
See http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/tutorial.html and
the other docs to have some examples of workflows.
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a precommit hook checking and warn if you don't change the correct
changelog?
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than bumping the .3.x ebuild.
lu - that uses that ebuild
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on big projects?
usually just read the $big_project ml, hang with $big_project dev and
read the documentation if present. It is quite easy catching up =)
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Mike Frysinger wrote:
i miss the happier times when we had him banned
Do you think it's time for a revival?
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Markus Ullmann wrote:
Now you know the story behind our new amd64/bugday/xfce dev from UK. I
think he deserves the usual happy welcome :)
Beware of the rabid media people =)
Welcome =)
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Ryan Hill wrote:
I don't think the average user, even the average Gentoo user, has any
idea what any of these plug-ins do, how they work, and which ones they
need. This is getting a bit too complicated.
Not really I think as usual none == all ^^
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
aoa aoa-fabric-layout aoa-onyx aoa-soundbus aoa-soundbus-i2s aoa-tas
aoa-toonie powermac
add usb-audio
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something over mono it will be completely replaced
and/or mono will became the new gif with parrot being the new png.
That said you could just think about ways to reduce the damage like
pushing your country to NOT condone software patents...
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Stuart Herbert wrote:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/gentoo/
My stuff is on lu-zero.deviantart.com, I don't use flikr ^^;
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Please give him a warm welcome!
Eventually! Welcome as dev!
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propagation a bit the first times in order
to mitigate the issue pointed by Ciaranm.
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Mike Doty wrote:
Thoughts?
- hall of fame is nice, money isn't
- we all know that Flameeyes and vapier will be at the top =)
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that problematic, am I missing something?
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Benjamin Judas wrote:
Hello folks,
Welcome back!
(what about using just parted and have scripts that mime fdisk/mac-fdisk?)
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George Shapovalov wrote:
Well, it seemed like a small tool, having a TLP for which is a gross
overkill,
eselect is anything but a small tool...
I'd just reorder docs in a more rational way but let our flat tlp as is.
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must be included an
so on?
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/catalyst/
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malc wrote:
media-video - Can I take this one? I've got a jahshaka-2.0 ebuild here
ready to rock.
please submit it and let us have fun too =)
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and a chat =)
lu - the minions of my minions are transitively my minions?
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I was just waiting for you to unmask yet another ffmpeg snapshot ^^;
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Thursday 05 October 2006 13:48, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Actually, they do. Minority archs lead to much better tree QA being
done, more bugs in packages being identified and more ebuild and
package bugs being fixed.
Hell is gonna break loose, I agree with
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Thursday 05 October 2006 14:04, Luca Barbato wrote:
Not today, not today, 1/2 of the devils are on a strike because of the
recent freezes in the latest months, the others are still recovering
from the flu caused by the change in the climate...
What if I
on
others feet is quite hard and not dead easy as today?
those point and less noise on gentoo-dev.
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Simon Stelling wrote:
With this addition, the Swiss conspiracy soon will be powerful enough to
bribe everybody else with chocolate, so you better watch out.
The devs living in Torino will be all immune!
lu
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packages
that depend on it.
Thoughts?
It would require revdep resolution on emerge... how painful would be?
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you want depending on useflags?
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Duncan Coutts wrote:
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 20:27 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
Duncan Coutts wrote:
So my point is, I don't think it can be simply dismissed as ABI nonsense
that we don't have to deal with. Being able to SLOT on the compiler
flavour (and possibly version) would allow us to do
Simon Stelling wrote:
GLEP: 52
I don't like it: too complex, glep 23 is fine.
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project just to keep hardtotrack bugs to the minimum.
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a few more weeks, the virtualization herd takes seed
product and adds appropriate vmware/xen/etc modifications to create
ready-to-run virtualization images.
I like this plan.
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Doug Goldstein wrote:
Stop being nice and polite... It's freaking me out.
Beside the alien abduction thing that lead that change, I think there
isn't nothing to be afraid.
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Hanno Böck wrote:
Am Dienstag, 12. September 2006 02:46 schrieb Michael Cummings:
Looks like that will break media-gfx/frontline (=media-gfx/gimp-1.2*)
and gimp-freetype-0.2-r3 (also =media-gfx/gimp-1.2*).
frontline is dead upstream, has no metadata and last changelog-entry is about
a year
stuff will be available from specific front-ends.
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Alec Warner wrote:
So which sucks, upstream or our unbending policy?
upstream for that reason
us because we haven't a tool like the one BaSS wrote for the ebooks.
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the only one who has a problem with this?
Genstef PLEASE always contact the related herd before adding stuff.
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new releases etc...
cmake for a C program is a BIG shortsight.
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Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
So yeah, buy him a pint and welcome him onboard!
Welcome!
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Luis Francisco Araujo wrote:
If neither of those points are convincing enough, then remember free
software comes with *NO-WARRANTY*
s/free//
Even payware is w/out warranties.
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