Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-07 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 06-09-2012 09:25:53 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: #1 - there is both a specification, and an initial implementation, AND a fork of the tree that is kept semi-up-to-date on my dev overlay. I was interested in a (formal) specification, not a proof of concept. #2 - related to your question

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-07 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/09/12 01:13 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 06-09-2012 09:25:53 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: #1 - there is both a specification, and an initial implementation, AND a fork of the tree that is kept semi-up-to-date on my dev overlay. I was

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-07 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/07/2012 10:13 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: Could you give an example where implicit ${PV} as sub-slot would not do what you need? Can you point out a package for which SONAME/ABI/whatever changes every time ${PV} changes? Probably not. Is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-07 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 07-09-2012 10:52:10 -0700, Zac Medico wrote: On 09/07/2012 10:13 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: Could you give an example where implicit ${PV} as sub-slot would not do what you need? Can you point out a package for which SONAME/ABI/whatever changes every time ${PV} changes? Probably not. Is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-06 Thread Fabian Groffen
Replying to this email since it seems to be the discussion behind the sub-slot feature proposed for EAPI 5. On 04-06-2012 23:26:18 +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: This is why I think we should try to push a bit my first suggestion for the short term until the perfect one is ready as, until then, we

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-06 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/09/12 05:01 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: Replying to this email since it seems to be the discussion behind the sub-slot feature proposed for EAPI 5. On 04-06-2012 23:26:18 +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: This is why I think we should try to push

[EDIT] Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-06 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/09/12 09:25 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: sub-slots is the 'some-identifier' part of ${SLOT}/${some-identifier}. It doesn't have to *replate* to ${PV} at all, and generally shouldn't. ..i have no idea what replate was supposed to be.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-06 Thread Zac Medico
On 09/06/2012 02:01 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: After reading this thread, I have seen numerous occasions where has been asked what this proposal actually solves. Unless I've accidentially skipped over it, the answer has yet to be given. It appears to me now sub-slot is a feature that makes it

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 02:51 +0200, Michael Weber escribió: [...] [1] if you forget the -X on module-rebuild, you might no longer have the virtualbox-modules version installed in the tree (no packages satisfy ...). virtualbox does remove old versions real quick. The fun part comes with

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 05-06-2012 a las 19:18 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken packages with tests)? I'd suggest a special ebuild phase to check

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/06/2012 01:46 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El mar, 05-06-2012 a las 19:18 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 07:18:01PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken packages with tests)? I'd suggest a special ebuild phase to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/06/2012 02:59 PM, Brian Harring wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 07:18:01PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken packages with tests)?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-05 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/04/2012 05:26 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello, will send this to gentoo-dev mailing list per Zac's suggestion ;): ...They usually do a good job maintaining them, the only issue I see they hit from time to time is forgetting to run JUST

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:44:08 -0400 Aaron W. Swenson titanof...@gentoo.org wrote: There's never anything important in all that text. - Anonymous Gentoo User To be fair, most einfo and elog messages are useless spam. When elog was introduced, it was

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-05 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/05/2012 02:44 PM, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: There's never anything important in all that text. - Anonymous Gentoo User The bad part is, that even reading of these messages can result in a breakage. I update a bunch of machines with these

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-05 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken packages with tests)? I'd suggest a special ebuild phase to check for ABI changes, like the pre_pkg_preinst_abi_check phase

[gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-04 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello, will send this to gentoo-dev mailing list per Zac's suggestion ;): Probably Zac already remembers my suggestion of: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413619 Sorry for insisting a bit on it but this issue bites me periodically. Months ago, I was able to administrate myself some of