[gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-04 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello, will send this to gentoo-dev mailing list per Zac's suggestion ;): Probably Zac already remembers my suggestion of: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413619 Sorry for insisting a bit on it but this issue bites me periodically. Months ago, I was able to administrate myself some of my

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-05 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/04/2012 05:26 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > Hello, will send this to gentoo-dev mailing list per Zac's > suggestion ;): > > ...They usually do a good job maintaining them, the only issue I > see they hit from time to time is forgetting to run JUST

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:44:08 -0400 "Aaron W. Swenson" wrote: > "There's never anything important in all that text." - Anonymous > Gentoo User To be fair, most einfo and elog messages are useless spam. When elog was introduced, it was supposed to be o

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-05 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/05/2012 02:44 PM, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: > "There's never anything important in all that text." - Anonymous > Gentoo User The bad part is, that even reading of these messages can result in a breakage. I update a bunch of machines with these

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-05 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: > Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with > revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken packages > with tests)? I'd suggest a special ebuild phase to check for ABI changes, like the pre_pkg_preinst_abi_check phase sugg

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 02:51 +0200, Michael Weber escribió: [...] > > [1] if you forget the -X on module-rebuild, you might no longer have > the virtualbox-modules version installed in the tree (no packages > satisfy ...). virtualbox does remove old versions real quick. > > The fun part comes w

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 05-06-2012 a las 19:18 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: > On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: > > Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with > > revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken packages > > with tests)? > > I'd suggest a special ebuild phase

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/06/2012 01:46 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El mar, 05-06-2012 a las 19:18 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: >> On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: >>> Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with >>> revdep-rebuild (worst case: ad

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 07:18:01PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: > > Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with > > revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken packages > > with tests)? > > I'd suggest a special ebuild phase

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/06/2012 02:59 PM, Brian Harring wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 07:18:01PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: >> On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: >>> Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with >>> revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken packages >>> with

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-06 Thread Fabian Groffen
Replying to this email since it seems to be the discussion behind the "sub-slot" feature proposed for EAPI 5. On 04-06-2012 23:26:18 +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > This is why I think we should try to push a bit my first suggestion for > the short term until "the perfect one" is ready as, until then,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-06 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/09/12 05:01 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > Replying to this email since it seems to be the discussion behind > the "sub-slot" feature proposed for EAPI 5. > > On 04-06-2012 23:26:18 +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: >> This is why I think we should try

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-06 Thread Zac Medico
On 09/06/2012 02:01 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > After reading this thread, I have seen numerous occasions where has been > asked what this proposal actually solves. Unless I've accidentially > skipped over it, the answer has yet to be given. It appears to me now > sub-slot is a feature that makes

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-07 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 06-09-2012 09:25:53 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > #1 - there is both a specification, and an initial implementation, AND > a fork of the tree that is kept semi-up-to-date on my dev overlay. I was interested in a (formal) specification, not a proof of concept. > #2 - related to your question

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-07 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/09/12 01:13 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 06-09-2012 09:25:53 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> #1 - there is both a specification, and an initial >> implementation, AND a fork of the tree that is kept >> semi-up-to-date on my dev overlay. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-07 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/07/2012 10:13 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > Could you give an example where implicit ${PV} as sub-slot would > not do what you need? Can you point out a package for which SONAME/ABI/whatever changes every time ${PV} changes? Probably not. Is the r

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-07 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 07-09-2012 10:52:10 -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/07/2012 10:13 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > > Could you give an example where implicit ${PV} as sub-slot would > > not do what you need? > > Can you point out a package for which SONAME/ABI/whatever changes > every time ${PV} changes? Probably

[EDIT] Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-09-06 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/09/12 09:25 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > sub-slots is the 'some-identifier' part of > ${SLOT}/${some-identifier}. It doesn't have to *replate* to ${PV} > at all, and generally shouldn't. > > ..i have no idea what "replate" was supposed t