On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
equery f udev | grep udevd
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
And as long as our maintainers refuse to use the proper paths this is
just one of the little things that makes life more exciting for us.
Can we please add
On 08/08/2012 04:53 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
Yes, and please remove all the occurrences of 'GNU' because I don't
like it.
We have people working on a clang/freebsd gentoo, you might help them
and use that. It sort of works fine.
For a project Flameeyes replaced most of system using smaller
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 10:48:38 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/08/2012 04:53 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
Yes, and please remove all the occurrences of 'GNU' because I don't
like it.
We have people working on a clang/freebsd gentoo, you might help them
and use that. It sort
On 08/09/2012 10:57 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
No. I meant to have 'GNU' tools with 'GNU' stripped. Isn't that what
the whole discussion is about? Changing names of tools just for
someone's liking?
No, we are discussing about an upstream merging two unrelated projects
assuring users that nothing
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:20:52 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2012 10:57 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
No. I meant to have 'GNU' tools with 'GNU' stripped. Isn't that what
the whole discussion is about? Changing names of tools just for
someone's liking?
No, we are
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:01 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:20:52 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
Forking udev hadn't been considered mostly just on that premise.
So someone should just *finally* fork it, rather than talking about it
all the
On 08/09/2012 12:20 PM, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 08/09/2012 10:57 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
No. I meant to have 'GNU' tools with 'GNU' stripped. Isn't that what
the whole discussion is about? Changing names of tools just for
someone's liking?
No, we are discussing about an upstream merging two
On 08/09/2012 12:01 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:20:52 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2012 10:57 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
No. I meant to have 'GNU' tools with 'GNU' stripped. Isn't that what
the whole discussion is about? Changing names of tools just
Hi,
Sorry if this has been discussed to death, but I couldn't find any
definitive decisions on it, so I thought I'd mention things in a
fairly simple manner:
Step 1: I use OpenRC/sysvinit.
Dell ~ # readlink -f /proc/1/exe
/sbin/init
Dell ~ # equery b /sbin/init
* Searching for /sbin/init ...
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:11:42 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
Sorry if this has been discussed to death, but I couldn't find any
definitive decisions on it, so I thought I'd mention things in a
fairly simple manner:
Step 1: I use OpenRC/sysvinit.
Dell ~ # readlink -f
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
INSTALL_MASK=/usr/lib/systemd
And live happy to the day you notice your system no longer boots.
This is a nice bandaid, and sure, it solves the immediate issue...
but it doesn't actually solve the actual issue: when packages
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
INSTALL_MASK=/usr/lib/systemd
As an unrelated side note, in case any one on the internet finds this
thread trying to solve this issue, it's worth pointing out that
since udev now installs that directory, the INSTALL_MASK
On 08/08/12 22:15, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:11:42 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
[snip]
Yowza! All the packages that provide systemd unit files are installing
them?! But I don't even use systemd. I don't want this cruft on my
system.
Proposal: global USE
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:31:40 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/08/12 22:15, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:11:42 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
[snip]
Yowza! All the packages that provide systemd unit files are
installing them?! But I
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
And as long as our maintainers refuse to use the proper paths this is
just one of the little things that makes life more exciting for us.
Can we please add some sanity back?
Exactly. Right now, with no USE flag, and no
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:22:47 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
INSTALL_MASK=/usr/lib/systemd
As an unrelated side note, in case any one on the internet finds this
thread trying to solve this issue, it's
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
You are right. In case users really intend to use that, they may be
better using app-portage/install-mask, and:
$ install-mask -a systemd
which will add just the right path.
Still misses the point. USE flags were invented
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:20:55 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
INSTALL_MASK=/usr/lib/systemd
And live happy to the day you notice your system no longer boots.
This is a nice bandaid, and sure, it solves
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
We aren't going to add USE flags which don't do anything. That topic
was discussed a thousand times, and rising it once more won't change
our decision.
Similarly, bash-completion flag will be gone at some point.
Everyone
On 08/08/2012 10:31 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
On 08/08/12 22:15, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:11:42 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
[snip]
Yowza! All the packages that provide systemd unit files are installing
them?! But I don't even use systemd. I don't want
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:35:22 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
You are right. In case users really intend to use that, they may be
better using app-portage/install-mask, and:
$ install-mask -a systemd
On 08/08/12 22:35, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
You are right. In case users really intend to use that, they may be
better using app-portage/install-mask, and:
$ install-mask -a systemd
which will add just the right path.
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:38:07 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
We aren't going to add USE flags which don't do anything. That topic
was discussed a thousand times, and rising it once more won't change
our
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
We aren't going to add USE flags which don't do anything. That topic
was discussed a thousand times, and rising it once more won't change
our
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Not everyone uses bash. Not everyone cares at all about
bash-completion. What is your point?
I'm not saying I agree with the removal of bash-completion flag (that
discussion is for elsewhere), but just that your analogy
On N, 1970-01-01 at 00:00 +, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
You are right. In case users really intend to use that, they may be
better using app-portage/install-mask, and:
$ install-mask -a systemd
which will add
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
can we *please* use the openrc useflag to have correct paths and binary
names again?
Just because upstream says we should be fedora doesn't mean we have to
do it.
Right now it's really frustrating to have systemd
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:48:58 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/08/12 22:35, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
You are right. In case users really intend to use that, they may be
better using
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
can we *please* use the openrc useflag to have correct paths and binary
names again?
Just because upstream says we should be fedora doesn't mean we have to
do it.
I think that having binaries going in different places
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:03:25 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
wrote:
can we *please* use the openrc useflag to have correct paths and
binary names again?
Just because upstream says we should be fedora doesn't mean
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:48:20 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Not everyone uses bash. Not everyone cares at all about
bash-completion. What is your point?
I'm not saying I agree with the removal of
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:48:20 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Not everyone uses bash. Not everyone cares at all about
bash-completion.
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Path to bash can't change because it will break most of scripts
in the world.
Path to libc can't change because it will break all of the executables
in the world.
My point was illustrative. Basically if we're going to
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:13:26 +0200
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:03:25 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
wrote:
can we *please* use the openrc useflag to have correct paths and
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:37:42AM -0400, Richard Yao wrote:
That doesn't work anymore - improvement in udev-186:
equery f udev | grep udevd
/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
And as long as our maintainers refuse to use the proper paths this is
just one of the little things that
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 04:43:33PM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:35:22 +0200
Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote:
Still misses the point. USE flags were invented to deal with these
options. On a default install, which uses OpenRC, users shouldn't have
to then
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
So, I ask again. You keep complaining about insanity. What's the
insanity and why should we go to all of the extra effort you want us to
go to to avoid it?
I think it's more of a knee-jerk reaction to this: Redhat is
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