Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-30 Thread Joe Peterson
Alec Warner wrote: Lets agree to disagree on the definition of technical then and instead agree that putting EAPI in the filename is a bad design decision (technicalness aside) and then have a beer! Wow. That's a *great* idea! ;) -Cheers, Joe

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-29 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: I think what you are missing is that some people (me included) think that the in-file approach is the cleanest and most obvious solution (which also happens to not hurt performance). So if you want bad design to be an

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-29 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Joe Peterson lava...@gentoo.org wrote: Alec Warner wrote: No, it's entirely objective. GLEP 55 clearly shows how the filename based options are objectively better than anything else. But the decision will not be based entirely on objective merits (although I

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Patrick Lauer
This is becoming a rather lengthy email ping pong, but as people seem to be unable to discuss things I had to highlight a few issues there. Short version: - Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like C++ feels better don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively wrong for

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: - Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like C++ feels better don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively wrong for me, so they have no place in a technical discussion You mean like EAPI in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: - Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like C++ feels better don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:14:57 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: - Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like C++ feels better don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively wrong for me, so they have no

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.28 19:36, Alec Warner wrote: [snip] The community could of course just deny the features that require glep55 (no bash4, no global scope changes, etc..) I guess the community is doing that by default anyway by repeated discussing this

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 28 May 2009 20:49:54 +0200 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: Now you may still think (subjective thing, that) that glep55 is the best solution. And I, with the same subjectivity, think it isn't. GLEP 55 shows that other solutions require either a design-enforced performance

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Joe Peterson
Alec Warner wrote: No, it's entirely objective. GLEP 55 clearly shows how the filename based options are objectively better than anything else. But the decision will not be based entirely on objective merits (although I will concede that EAPI in filename is the 'best' technical choice).

Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
2009/5/28 Joe Peterson lava...@gentoo.org: Alec Warner wrote: No, it's entirely objective. GLEP 55 clearly shows how the filename based options are objectively better than anything else. But the decision will not be based entirely on objective merits (although I will concede that EAPI in