Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 23:03:51 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:01:35 +0200 > Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > > >> The same tags shouldn't be used for different things. > > > > > Then we might as well extend the DTD to have

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:12:13 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Ulrich Mueller > wrote: > > > > I had just given some reasons above, in the part that you haven't > > quoted. > > > > My main issue was with the "burden of proof" bit. This isn't a court > - we're free to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 00:40:50 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:16:32 +0200 > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:42:40 +0200 > > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > > > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: > > > > IRC is huge; where did you m

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-30 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:01:35 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > >> The same tags shouldn't be used for different things. > > > Then we might as well extend the DTD to have a required tag > > nested in each tag. > > But IIUC, the DTD must be cha

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > I had just given some reasons above, in the part that you haven't > quoted. > My main issue was with the "burden of proof" bit. This isn't a court - we're free to do whatever seems to make the most sense, and not worry about what kind of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-30 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: >> The same tags shouldn't be used for different things. > Then we might as well extend the DTD to have a required tag > nested in each tag. But IIUC, the DTD must be changed also if the tag is removed? (Unless we want to leave a dead element i

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-30 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 01:09:30 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > > > [address of the herd] > > [name of the herd] > > > > The same tags shouldn't be used for different things. Then we might as well extend the DTD to have a required tag n

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-30 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: [Restoring context omitted from quote.] >> The same tags shouldn't be used for different things. First of all, >> the tag is optional, so we cannot rely on its being present. >> Second, for a

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > >> Please provide some examples of when and how that piece of >> information, "herd", is important. > > Don't shift the burden of proof, please. > Meh, knowing if the status quo is useful is

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > [address of the herd] > [name of the herd] > The same tags shouldn't be used for different things. First of all, the tag is optional, so we cannot rely on its being present. Second, for a given e-mail address, some information is needed

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:16:32 +0200 Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:42:40 +0200 > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: > > IRC is huge; where did you manage to find consensus in there with > whom? I have no idea how to respond

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:42:40 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: IRC is huge; where did you manage to find consensus in there with whom? > 1 ) We should > 1a) deprecate the tag in metadata.xml (that's 17,856 files or > so?) in favou

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-09-29, o godz. 20:13:19 Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Michał Górny wrote: > > > Dnia 2014-09-29, o godz. 19:20:54 > > Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > > >> This will lose the information if a maintainer is a project/team or > >> an individual developer, which I

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-09-29, o godz. 19:20:54 > Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): >> This will lose the information if a maintainer is a project/team or >> an individual developer, which I think is still useful. >> >> Could we keep this information somehow? Maybe b

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-09-29, o godz. 19:20:54 Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: > > > 1 ) We should > > 1a) deprecate the tag in metadata.xml (that's 17,856 files or > > so?) in favour of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: > 1 ) We should > 1a) deprecate the tag in metadata.xml (that's 17,856 files or > so?) in favour of > 1b) a conversion to their respective tags > 1c) where the tag serves th

[gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 21:45:49 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > Let's keep it short: I think herds don't serve any special purpose > nowadays. Their existence is mostly resulting in lack of consistency > and inconveniences. On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: 1 )