Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-28 Thread Zac Medico
On 11/22/2010 05:30 PM, Zac Medico wrote: Anyway, there's support for checking dependencies with empty KEYWORDS here: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/portage.git;a=commit;h=9ed6332f2015e41f072f897764f550c5574ea96f This is included in =sys-apps/portage-2.1.9.25. Please try it and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-23 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 11/23/10 02:46, Markos Chandras wrote: Thank you. Like the fellow devs said before, KEYWORDS are there to indicate whether a package works for an arch or not. Empty keywords simply means hey, this package is not tested in this arch which is the exact point of a live ebuild. However, p.mask

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-22 Thread Zac Medico
On 11/21/2010 09:54 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Alexis Ballier wrote: Also, for an ebuild with empty KEYWORDS, repoman will not indicate any problems with dependencies. by default with a p.mask it doesnt either. Yes, but it has an option to enable it, whereas there

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-22 Thread Zac Medico
On 11/22/2010 09:09 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 11/21/2010 09:54 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Alexis Ballier wrote: Also, for an ebuild with empty KEYWORDS, repoman will not indicate any problems with dependencies. by default with a p.mask it doesnt either. Yes, but it has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-22 Thread Markos Chandras
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 05:30:16PM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: On 11/22/2010 09:09 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 11/21/2010 09:54 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Alexis Ballier wrote: Also, for an ebuild with empty KEYWORDS, repoman will not indicate any problems with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Diego, On 11/21/10 15:29, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: The reason why many of them are in p.mask is usually because _I_ added them there as they didn't mask with KEYWORDS=, and simply dropping keywords would have users angry. Why does KEYWORDS= on live ebuilds make users angry? Where can I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread Markos Chandras
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 04:22:52PM +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Diego, On 11/21/10 15:29, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: The reason why many of them are in p.mask is usually because _I_ added them there as they didn't mask with KEYWORDS=, and simply dropping keywords would have users

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread Markos Chandras
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 01:00:03PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:11:53 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Users interpret this as a 'double masking' which in fact it is since they need to touch two files before they are able to use the package. Isn't that

[gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:11:53 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Users interpret this as a 'double masking' which in fact it is since they need to touch two files before they are able to use the package. Isn't that the point? People should be discouraged in every way not to use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 11/21/10 17:27, Markos Chandras wrote: Where can I find the rest of this thread? Ehh, maybe on gentoo archives? http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_4934999b1188cf3ecc53fea784054afb.xml Is that what you are asking for? In a way, yes, thanks. Should have thought of looking there. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 11/21/10 20:30, Ryan Hill wrote: Actually not. Users are already familiar with the - concept so there is no point to add extra obstacles in their way. I am trying to find out corner cases where double masking makes sense. Otherwise it makes no sense to me. Actually the majority of users

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread Markos Chandras
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 01:30:15PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:05:44 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Isn't that the point? People should be discouraged in every way not to use live ebuilds. I'd add a third if we had one. :) But yes, if I

[gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:05:44 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Isn't that the point? People should be discouraged in every way not to use live ebuilds. I'd add a third if we had one. :) But yes, if I had to pick only one I'd go with dropping keywords over package.mask.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:10:32PM +, Duncan wrote: As a user who regularly uses certain live ebuilds (and contrasting SP), strongly agreed. If the double-masking is confusing them, they're better off sticking with standard versioned ebuilds as they're demonstrably not up to dealing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Change policy about live ebuilds

2010-11-21 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Alexis Ballier wrote: Also, for an ebuild with empty KEYWORDS, repoman will not indicate any problems with dependencies. by default with a p.mask it doesnt either. Yes, but it has an option to enable it, whereas there isn't such an option for empty KEYWORDS. Ulrich