Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-25 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/25/2011 06:57 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> But neither portage, nor the portage tree, nor any of our branding are >> shipped with ChromeOS. Hence it's as much a Gentoo install as $company >> that uses portage to build $image for their em

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 21:57:27 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > But neither portage, nor the portage tree, nor any of our branding are > shipped with ChromeOS. Hence it's as much a Gentoo install as $company > that uses portage to build $image for their embedded device, but > doesn't leave any tra

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-25 Thread Zac Medico
On 09/25/2011 06:57 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 05:53:18 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >>> "Gentoo" is defined by portage and the portage tree. If we remove >>> that, the end result is no different than compiling s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-25 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Sunday, September 25, 2011 05:53:18 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> "Gentoo" is defined by portage and the portage tree. If we remove >> that, the end result is no different than compiling stuff manually in >> Slackware or by hand. > > which i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 08:53:08 Rich Freeman wrote: > However, I can't seem to find a chromeos-meta package in portage, and > the fact that my chromeos laptop has some feature does me little good > in getting my Gentoo desktop to do the same. At best ChromeOS is a > fork of Gentoo, and the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 05:53:18 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 09:59, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> I'm a bit concerned that the future of linux on the desktop is going to > >> be one where your choices are things like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-25 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 9/25/11 5:53 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > Repeat this 100 times and you end up with a chromium tarball > that consists of 90% redistributed 3rd-party libraries with subtle > tweaks. However, can you really argue with Google's success with this > approach. At least in Gentoo we remove _most_ of th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 09:59, Rich Freeman wrote: >> This will be a big challenge for a smaller distro like Gentoo.  Obviously we >> can't just go write our own Wayland replacement, even if we did essentially >> make our own "systemd" of so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-25 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 09:59, Rich Freeman wrote: >> I'm a bit concerned that the future of linux on the desktop is going to be >> one where your choices are things like Android, ChromeOS, Ubuntu, Gnome OS, >> or a "KDE OS."  Each one woul

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-24 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 09:59, Rich Freeman wrote: > I'm a bit concerned that the future of linux on the desktop is going to be > one where your choices are things like Android, ChromeOS, Ubuntu, Gnome OS, > or a "KDE OS."  Each one would have its own package managers, repositories, > distros, APIs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 09/16/2011 14:06, Duncan wrote: > > Careful with the "extreme". As you no doubt realize by now, the udev > folks apparently consider anyone wanting a separate /usr but not an initr* > "extreme". That'd certainly apply double if said admin (since no simple > "user" cares about such stuff,

[gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 18/09/11, Duncan wrote: > > I don't see any added benefit from using DBUS on my servers. Insterstingly, Duncan just answered your question... > Interesting question. I hadn't seen the suggestion until this thread, > either, and it bothered me too. >From here: > With a moment's thought, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Joost Roeleveld posted on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:22:42 +0200 as excerpted: > > I don't see any added benefit from using DBUS on my servers. > > Interesting question. I hadn't seen the suggestion until this thread, > either, and

[gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Duncan
Joost Roeleveld posted on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:22:42 +0200 as excerpted: > On Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:40:03 PM Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:36:27AM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> (The other reason I think systemd and udev might merge at some point, >> or at least

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > Except that Redhat and Centos use LVM by default. Which will also mean that > "simple users" also end up using LVM. > Then again, they also end up with an initr* and a generic kernel for > everything under the sun. > I haven't properly l

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 06:06:35 PM Duncan wrote: > Joost Roeleveld posted on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:36:27 +0200 as excerpted: > > I agree, I just used this example to explain that it shouldn't be > > necessary to force an initramfs on all users just because there is a > > small group who wants

[gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Duncan
Joost Roeleveld posted on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:36:27 +0200 as excerpted: > I agree, I just used this example to explain that it shouldn't be > necessary to force an initramfs on all users just because there is a > small group who wants to have an extreme setup. Careful with the "extreme". As you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > It may be that this is already sorted on the gnome side, or that all this > talk of gnome-os is simply hot-air, but like I said, I'm a kde user, so I > wouldn't know, tho I'm concerned about its implications for the rest of >

[gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Duncan
Joost Roeleveld posted on Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:33:18 +0200 as excerpted: > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 09:31:45 PM Luca Barbato wrote: >> On 15/09/2011 16:33, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> > >> > Not sure if you are aware of the discussions on the gentoo-user list >> > about the upcoming change wh