Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Dean Stephens wrote: > On 03/27/15 15:29, Hanno Böck wrote: > > These days pretty much all big players use https only (google, > > facebook, twitter, github, ...). You can't really use the > > mainstream internet if your firewall blocks https. > > > Can we please

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-30 Thread Dean Stephens
On 03/27/15 15:29, Hanno Böck wrote: > These days pretty much all big players use https only (google, > facebook, twitter, github, ...). You can't really use the > mainstream internet if your firewall blocks https. > Can we please stop making stuff up[1] just to make an argument seem stronger to t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-29 Thread James Le Cuirot
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:23:51 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Xperia X10 Mini, with ancient Android 2.1. > > bugs.gentoo.org works, though it complains about hostname mismatch (I > guess it doesn't handle wildcard certs or sth). Not exactly, it can't handle servers with more than one SSL certificate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-29 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2015-03-29, o godz. 18:50:17 Hanno Böck napisał(a): > On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:46:05 +0200 > Michał Górny wrote: > > > While I don't mind this entirely, we need to make sure to get things > > right. For example, I'm quite unhappy being unable to use Forums or > > sources.g.o from my phone be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-29 Thread Hanno Böck
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:46:05 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > While I don't mind this entirely, we need to make sure to get things > right. For example, I'm quite unhappy being unable to use Forums or > sources.g.o from my phone because of some SSL issues… Can you be more specific on that? Of course

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-29 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2015-03-27, o godz. 15:33:15 Hanno Böck napisał(a): > I think defaulting the net to HTTPS is a big step for more security and > I think Gentoo should join the trend here. While I don't mind this entirely, we need to make sure to get things right. For example, I'm quite unhappy being unable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-28 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 27.03.2015 15:33, Hanno Böck wrote: > I think defaulting the net to HTTPS is a big step for more security and > I think Gentoo should join the trend here. Yes please! Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-28 Thread Alexander Berntsen
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-28 Thread Vladimir Smirnov
Just my 5c: On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:18:24 + "Robin H. Johnson" wrote: > > > * Make sure all use modern HTTPS features, including: > > * OCSP Stapling > SSLUseStapling is Apache 2.3+ only, and that isn't stable yet. You can always set up Nginx, if not instead, but at least in front of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Hanno Böck wrote: >> SSLUseStapling is Apache 2.3+ only, and that isn't stable yet. > > That's unfortunate, apache 2.2 is pretty outdated when it > comes to tls security. Please help with the blockers for 2.4 stabilization! Cheers, Dirkjan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > On 27 March 2015 at 19:14, Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> StartSSL in fact refuses to revoke certificates even when people >> publish their private keys publicly. If you buy a previously-used >> domain you might want to make sure that there

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 04:44:16PM +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: > >"Certificates are too expensive" > >Gentoo already has certs for all pages, so this is not an argument > >here, but if this ever becomes an issue there are a number of CAs these > >days that issue free certs. In summer the communi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Hanno Böck
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:14:02 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > As has been pointed out, this is a moot issue for Gentoo. However, > I'm not aware of anybody who both offers a free certificate and will > let you change your private key if it is compromised free of charge. I think wosign does. Haven't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Hanno Böck
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:18:24 + "Robin H. Johnson" wrote: > > * Some with logins are mixed http/login-via-https, which makes them > > vulnerable to ssl-stripping-attacks (e.g. wiki.gentoo.org) > Are you sure about this? Everything on wiki should always redirect to > SSL very early. Sure abo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 03:33:15PM +0100, Hanno Böck wrote: > Right now a number of Gentoo webpages are by default served over http. > There is a growing trend to push more webpages to default to https, > mostly pushed by google. I think this is a good thing and I think > Gentoo should follow. Plea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 27 March 2015 at 19:14, Rich Freeman wrote: > > StartSSL in fact refuses to revoke certificates even when people > publish their private keys publicly. If you buy a previously-used > domain you might want to make sure that there isn't a StartSSL > certificate floating around for it which is st

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: > * Hanno Böck schrieb am 27.03.15 um 15:33 Uhr: >> >> >> "Certificates are too expensive" >> Gentoo already has certs for all pages, so this is not an argument >> here, but if this ever becomes an issue there are a number of CAs these >> d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 06:14:38PM +0100, Thomas D. wrote: > > Right now we seem to have a mix: > > * A number of webpages default to http and have optional https > > (www.gentoo.org) > > * Some with sensitive logins are already https by default (e.g. > > bugs.gentoo.org), but they don't use hs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Thomas D.
Hi, Hanno Böck wrote: > Right now a number of Gentoo webpages are by default served over http. > There is a growing trend to push more webpages to default to https, > mostly pushed by google. I think this is a good thing and I think > Gentoo should follow. +1 > Right now we seem to have a mix:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Hanno Böck wrote: > I'd propose the following: > * Make all pages under .gentoo.org https by default > * Make sure all use modern HTTPS features, including: > * OCSP Stapling > * HSTS > * A secure collection of cipher suites > * (one may add HPKP here, but it r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Marc Schiffbauer
TL;DR: Yes! * Hanno Böck schrieb am 27.03.15 um 15:33 Uhr: Hi, Right now a number of Gentoo webpages are by default served over http. There is a growing trend to push more webpages to default to https, mostly pushed by google. I think this is a good thing and I think Gentoo should follow. Righ

[gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Hanno Böck
Hi, Right now a number of Gentoo webpages are by default served over http. There is a growing trend to push more webpages to default to https, mostly pushed by google. I think this is a good thing and I think Gentoo should follow. Right now we seem to have a mix: * A number of webpages default to