[gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-22 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All, I need some opinions about accessibility on our release media. I am requesting that we add the following to all of our release media for amd64 and x86: app-accessibility/espeak (with portaudio in use so it supports alsa) app-accessibility/espea

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-22 Thread Petteri Räty
William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I need some opinions about accessibility on our release media. > > I am requesting that we add the following to all of our release media > for amd64 and x86: > > app-accessibility/espeak (with portaudio in use so it supports alsa) > app-accessibility/espeakup > ap

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-22 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:58:32PM +0300, Petteri R??ty wrote: > > I understand his point about keeping the minimal cd small, but I > > disagree about the software not being required to do an install. If a > > blind person wants to install gentoo from

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-22 Thread Josh Saddler
William Hubbs wrote: > My question for the group is, how do you feel about speech software > being on our minimal cd as well as our live cd? I am all in favor of this. We should strive to provide easy access to our distribution, and that includes opening up new access methods. I remember one time

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-22 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:40:43PM -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: > Question: what kind of end-user configuration is required once the CD is > booted to make use of it? There is a patch with this bug, http://bugs.gentoo.org/267708 which needs to be appli

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Mounir Lamouri
William Hubbs wrote: > [snip] > My question for the group is, how do you feel about speech software > being on our minimal cd as well as our live cd? I agree, it should be in our minimal and live CD's. There is no reason to consider blind persons out of the minimal CD. Mounir

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Andrew Gaffney
On 05/23/2009 05:56 PM, Mounir Lamouri wrote: William Hubbs wrote: [snip] My question for the group is, how do you feel about speech software being on our minimal cd as well as our live cd? I agree, it should be in our minimal and live CD's. There is no reason to consider blind persons out of t

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Thomas Pani
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > The real issue here is the size. If these additional packages plus all of > the alsa modules add 20MB to the minimal CD, it's just not worth it. It's > not "minimal" anymore. > Could you elaborate whom that change would affect (negatively)?

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Dale
Thomas Pani wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > >> The real issue here is the size. If these additional packages plus all of >> the alsa modules add 20MB to the minimal CD, it's just not worth it. It's >> not "minimal" anymore. >> >> > Could you elaborate whom

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Sat, 23 May 2009 18:14:57 -0500 Andrew Gaffney wrote: > On 05/23/2009 05:56 PM, Mounir Lamouri wrote: > > William Hubbs wrote: > >> [snip] > >> My question for the group is, how do you feel about speech software > >> being on our minimal cd as well as our live cd? > > I agree, it should be in

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Dale
Ferris McCormick wrote: > > If the 20MB is a real problem, I think the alternative is to have two > versions of the "minimal CD". Otherwise it seems to me that Gentoo is > discriminating against people who cannot see the screen, and I would > consider that to be very tacky at best. > > Someone (rd

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 07:32:18PM -0500, Dale wrote: > Thomas Pani wrote: > > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > > > >> The real issue here is the size. If these additional packages plus all of > >> the alsa modules add 20MB

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Sat, 23 May 2009 20:12:17 -0500 Dale wrote: > Ferris McCormick wrote: > > > > If the 20MB is a real problem, I think the alternative is to have two > > versions of the "minimal CD". Otherwise it seems to me that Gentoo is > > discriminating against people who cannot see the screen, and I woul

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:12:17PM -0500, Dale wrote: > Ferris McCormick wrote: > > > > If the 20MB is a real problem, I think the alternative is to have two > > versions of the "minimal CD". Otherwise it seems to me that Gentoo is > > discriminating

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Dale
William Hubbs wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 07:32:18PM -0500, Dale wrote: > >> > > For a person on dial-up, about 2 1/2 hours of additional download. That > > said, I'd be OK with the increase in size if it would help a person who > > can't see the screen. > > It is impossible for a person

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Dale
William Hubbs wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:12:17PM -0500, Dale wrote: > > Ferris McCormick wrote: > >> If the 20MB is a real problem, I think the alternative is to have two > >> versions of the "minimal CD". Otherwise it seems to me that Gentoo is > >> discriminating against people who cann

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 09:47:24PM -0500, Dale wrote: > Maybe I am being misunderstood. I'm all for it even if it does make it > bigger. It's a good idea in my opinion. Hi Dale, no, I didn't misunderstand you, and I am sorry if I came across tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.24 02:44, William Hubbs wrote: [snip] Random reply to thread > William Hubbs > gentoo accessibility team lead > willi...@gentoo.org > Put all the downloads for a minimal gentoo install into dial up context. You need the minimal CD, the s

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Dale
Roy Bamford wrote: > On 2009.05.24 02:44, William Hubbs wrote: > [snip] > > Random reply to thread > > William Hubbs > > gentoo accessibility team lead > > willi...@gentoo.org > > > Put all the downloads for a minimal gentoo install into dial up > context. You need the minimal CD, the stage 3, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Roy Bamford wrote: > Put all the downloads for a minimal gentoo install into dial up > context. You need the minimal CD, the stage 3, the portage snapshot, a > bootloader and a kernel. > > An extra 20Mb in that total size is trivial. > > Having done a few remote installs for blind users droppin

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Andrew Gaffney
On 05/24/2009 05:32 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.24 02:44, William Hubbs wrote: [snip] Random reply to thread William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead willi...@gentoo.org Put all the downloads for a minimal gentoo install into dial up c

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-24 Thread Petteri Räty
Andrew Gaffney wrote: > On 05/24/2009 05:32 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 2009.05.24 02:44, William Hubbs wrote: >> [snip] >> >> Random reply to thread >>> William Hubbs >>> gentoo accessibility team lead >>> willi...@gentoo.org >>> >> >> Put al

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-25 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Sunday 24 of May 2009 01:14:57 Andrew Gaffney wrote: > On 05/23/2009 05:56 PM, Mounir Lamouri wrote: > > William Hubbs wrote: > >> [snip] > >> My question for the group is, how do you feel about speech software > >> being on our minimal cd as well as our live cd? > > > > I agree, it should be in