Re: RFC: install linux-firmware with kernel sources (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1)

2013-02-14 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 14/02/13 09:26, Michael Weber wrote: non-multilib/x86 installs to /lib, multilib is linked to /lib. So please, stop using dramatizing this and use it as alibi for your otherwise justified plans. There is no guarantee multilib is linked to /lib whatsoever. Where did you get that idea?

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday 14 February 2013 08:53:45 Florian Philipp wrote: Am 14.02.2013 08:26, schrieb Michael Weber: On 02/14/2013 06:09 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: I need two things: 1. Users volunteering some time to keep this running 2. Agreement on a place to host tarballs no longer hosted

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo

2013-02-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Or N^4 people downloading ebuilds which serve no purpose whatever. That stacks faster than you think. That seems more like an argument for not having non-free (as in beer) proprietary software in the tree at all. I have

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread George Shapovalov
On Thursday 14 February 2013 13:09:15 Ben de Groot wrote: Okay, let's do this. Since the users don't seem to be able to organize themselves, I have taken the initiative to set this up. Currently there is the graveyard overlay on github, and I will be opening the required bug reports to get

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote: Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended primarily for this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard it mentioned in a while and layman seems to list onyl sunrise) You probably mean kde-sunset, which

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread George Shapovalov
On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote: Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended primarily for this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard it mentioned in a while and layman

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote: Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 February 2013 15:57, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote:

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.02.2013 17:30, schrieb Markos Chandras: On 14 February 2013 15:57, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote: Um,

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 February 2013 16:37, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 14.02.2013 17:30, schrieb Markos Chandras: On 14 February 2013 15:57, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: On

[gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-02-14 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Hi, I added the bug queries to http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/ based by year of last being touched. Take look, try to close the oldest ones/invalid ones and so on. I think it is lame we have bugs last touched in 2k5 :-P Cheers Tom

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-02-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 February 2013 18:19, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I added the bug queries to http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/ based by year of last being touched. Take look, try to close the oldest ones/invalid ones and so on. I think it is lame we have bugs last touched in 2k5 :-P

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-02-14 Thread Agostino Sarubbo
On Thursday 14 February 2013 19:19:52 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: I added the bug queries to http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/ based by year of last being touched. Take look, try to close the oldest ones/invalid ones and so on. I think it is lame we have bugs last touched in 2k5 Probably we don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-02-14 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne Čt 14. února 2013 18:34:10, Markos Chandras napsal(a): Why not 2011 and 2012 as well? Feel free to add more, its on qa-scripts git repository.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys and girls, We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims to provide users with an overlay for packages removed from portage. Users are expressly invited to partake in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/02/13 04:55 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys and girls, We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims to provide users with an overlay for packages removed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Jeff Horelick
On 14 February 2013 16:55, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.orgwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys and girls, We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims to provide users with an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1

2013-02-14 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/2013 08:08 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Rick Zero_Chaos Farina schrieb: atmel-firmware ipw2100-firmware ipw2200-firmware b43-firmware b43legacy-firmware rtl8192su-firmware zd1201-firmware zd1211-firmware None of these are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1

2013-02-14 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/2013 08:39 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Rick Zero_Chaos Farina schrieb: Having 300 -firmware packages is silly. I can't help but noticing that some of the recently introduced iwlwifi firmware packages came from Chromium OS.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1

2013-02-14 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 15/02/13 00:27, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: Remove firmware from users systems with no upgrade path and then ask users to file a bug? That's pretty awesome, how can those people file a You have very broken definition of removing/breaking users systems. Masking is not breaking. The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.02.2013 22:55, schrieb Rick Zero_Chaos Farina: On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys and girls, We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims to provide users with an overlay for packages removed from portage. Users are expressly invited to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 14/02/2013 23:47, Florian Philipp wrote: Why is the overlay bad for anyone? No dev is forced to contribute to it and no user has to activate it. There are dozens of overlays out there which are not meant to be activated unless you know what you are doing. I don't see how this can affect

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: The presence of dozens of overlays _is_ hurting triaging and other issues. Things like proaudio overlay should die in a fire, and stop bothering us to begin with. How? We don't support overlays in the main

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 01:15, Rich Freeman wrote: How? We don't support overlays in the main tree. I could see a package maintainer being nice if pinged by an overlay maintainer and delaying some change for a short time to let an overlay be updated, but issues that impact overlays should not be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: The problem is when you have to triple-check that the user hasn't enabled some random fucked up overlay and you have to guess whether that might be the cause of the problem. Yes it happens, not so rarely. Ah, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 02:18, Rich Freeman wrote: Ah, I always thought of overlays as places where apps tend to reside, but of course you could have glibc in there for all we know... Good point... Welcome to the life of your average Gentoo ebuild maintainer. I'd think that this would be less of an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Ah, I always thought of overlays as places where apps tend to reside, but of course you could have glibc in there for all we know... Good point... Welcome to the life of your average Gentoo ebuild maintainer. Stop complaining (and with foul language! come on,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 02:56, Peter Stuge wrote: Stop complaining (and with foul language! come on, you sound like an idiot, which seems unneccessary) and let's think about solutions. Your laziness makes you sound like an idiot too, thank you very much. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Stop complaining (and with foul language! come on, you sound like an idiot, which seems unneccessary) and let's think about solutions. Your laziness makes you sound like an idiot too, thank you very much. Send me constructive criticism in an email and I'll of