Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I realise that by Gentoo is and will remain Free Software[0], what is meant is the distribution and the source code. However, I think it would be a bad example to use proprietary software for development or communication. [0]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Norman Rieß nor...@smash-net.org wrote: I do not see the benefit either, it seems like that kind of thing the PR department would come up with, which noone does actually like doing and everyone is glad when it's over and can go back to work. I honestly wonder

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introduce global dmalloc USE flag?

2013-06-24 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le samedi 22 juin 2013 à 15:48 +0800, Dennis Lan (dlan) a écrit : On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/06/13 01:05 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-06-13, o godz. 09:35:54 Dennis Lan (dlan)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introduce global dmalloc USE flag?

2013-06-24 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 24/06/13 11:54, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le samedi 22 juin 2013 à 15:48 +0800, Dennis Lan (dlan) a écrit : On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/06/13 01:05 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Alex Legler
On 24.06.2013 08:31, Alexander Berntsen wrote: I realise that by Gentoo is and will remain Free Software[0], what is meant is the distribution and the source code. However, I think it would be a bad example to use proprietary software for development or communication. So we shouldn't be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alex Legler schrieb: On 24.06.2013 08:31, Alexander Berntsen wrote: I realise that by Gentoo is and will remain Free Software[0], what is meant is the distribution and the source code. However, I think it would be a bad example to use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Alex Legler
On 24.06.2013 12:01, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Alex Legler schrieb: On 24.06.2013 08:31, Alexander Berntsen wrote: I realise that by Gentoo is and will remain Free Software[0], what is meant is the distribution and the source code. However, I think it would be a bad example to use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Pavlos Ratis
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Norman Rieß nor...@smash-net.org wrote: I do not see the benefit either, it seems like that kind of thing the PR department would come up with, which noone does actually like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introduce global dmalloc USE flag?

2013-06-24 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le lundi 24 juin 2013 à 12:05 +0300, Samuli Suominen a écrit : On 24/06/13 11:54, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le samedi 22 juin 2013 à 15:48 +0800, Dennis Lan (dlan) a écrit : On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Pavlos, I understand what you mean, I'm just saying that organizing a real video conference takes its toil. And just opening a webcam and talking is just going to give an amateurish feeling that could be more detrimental than not. Can you please tell us if you have _any_ experience at all with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introduce global dmalloc USE flag?

2013-06-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.orgwrote: To be clear, the justification of USE=dmalloc being separated from USE=debug is that it is so intrusive than anyone excepts a developer would find it too cumbersome to attempt to debug a problem with the application

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 24/06/2013 07:30, Pavlos Ratis wrote: That's why I'd like to propose Gentoo Hangouts. Gentoo Hangouts will be Google+ video Hangouts(video calls) held by teams or developers independent of a team. The main goal is to have the teams introduce themselves and discuss about different issues in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Markos Chandras
On 24 June 2013 11:54, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 24/06/2013 07:30, Pavlos Ratis wrote: That's why I'd like to propose Gentoo Hangouts. Gentoo Hangouts will be Google+ video Hangouts(video calls) held by teams or developers independent of a team. The main goal is to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: And unlike IRC meetings, you can cannot multitask, say making your dinner while discussing this or that feature. Honestly, that bit is a two-edged sword. I was just musing with the Trustees yesterday how it seems

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Mike Pagano
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:04:04PM +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: On 24 June 2013 11:54, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 24/06/2013 07:30, Pavlos Ratis wrote: That's why I'd like to propose Gentoo Hangouts. Gentoo Hangouts will be Google+ video Hangouts(video calls) held

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 09:14:44AM +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: A VC is a full commitment, and its attractiveness is often much higher _before_ you use it.. Agreed. I have found that if I am on a voice chat with someone, say on skype, it requires my full attention, especially since I use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-06-24 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/06/13 03:53 PM, Alex Xu wrote: On 21/06/13 03:27 PM, Sergey Popov wrote: 21.06.2013 23:22, Sergey Popov пишет: 2) package has dead upstream, does not build with current gcc/glibc/binutils/whatever and can not be fixed - bug is closed as

[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs

2013-06-24 Thread Duncan
Tom Wijsman posted on Sun, 16 Jun 2013 23:24:27 +0200 as excerpted: On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:33:53 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: TL;DR: SSDs help. =:^) TL;DR: SSDs help, but they don't solve the underlying problem. =:-( Well, there's the long-term fix to the underlying

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: I've worked on a VC system most of last year and I now go through regular conferences... it's barely okay from a work point of view, it takes lots of time to organize so you don't want to do that every single day for sure. It depends how

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Tobias Klausmann klaus...@gentoo.orgwrote: It depends how you run it. We have teams having a video thing open during the day with there geographically-diverse other team members and it works well for them. For those teams, it also improves cohesion.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:04:04PM +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: I like the idea. It might help bring developers and users closer. Me too, if I can ever contribute to it, or help users with their Gentoo (Hardened/SELinux/IMA/EVM/...) through it, I'll be happy to work with it. Wkr, Sven

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs

2013-06-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:27:19 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: I have one; it's great to help make my boot short, but it isn't really a great improvement for the Portage tree. Better I/O isn't a solution to computational complexity; it doesn't deal with the CPU bottleneck.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: eselect init

2013-06-24 Thread Steven J. Long
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 03:48:29PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 06:10:27PM +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: Fabio Erculiani wrote: - only init is currently handled by eselect-init, which is now using a very small wrapper POSIX shell script to redirect the calls to the

[gentoo-dev] repoman default

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Sterrett
repoman should default to the -I behavior: discuss.

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman default

2013-06-24 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/24/2013 10:40 PM, Michael Sterrett wrote: repoman should default to the -I behavior: discuss. Does it make sense to have with ebuilds in the tree with unsatisfiable dependencies? If so, should we distinguish between conditional and unconditional dependencies? Note that if the dependencies