Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 August 2015 at 01:33, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 00:34:51 +0800 Ben de Groot wrote: [...] This policy will allow to USE both qt versions whichever is available preferring newer one. Quite reasonable approach. Alternatives (^^() and ??()) will require

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 August 2015 at 09:37, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: I find setting USE=qt4 -qt5 a lot more obvious than having USE=qt (why not USE=X ?) which then does different things based on another useflag, sometimes.

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: I want to use fooplayer and bargrapher which are two qt-based applications. fooplayer only supports qt4, and bargrapher only supports qt5. What USE flags should I set, without restorting to per-package flags? These

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 August 2015 at 11:30, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: I want to use fooplayer and bargrapher which are two qt-based applications. fooplayer only supports qt4, and bargrapher only supports qt5. What USE flags

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:27:02 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: Long story short, this is USE=gtk once again. GNOME team had a policy that handled the case cleanly and QA outvoted it in favor of Qt-like policy. Then Qt team figured out their policy was unfriendly, and 'fixed' it with this ugly hack...

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2015-08-02, o godz. 21:21:03 Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:27:02 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: Long story short, this is USE=gtk once again. GNOME team had a policy that handled the case cleanly and QA outvoted it in favor of Qt-like policy. Then Qt

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 8/2/15 7:27 PM, Michał Górny wrote: What would be really clean is USE='qt qt5' (or 'qt qt4'), alike GNOME team policy. USE=qt would mean 'any version of Qt, if optional', and qt4/qt5 would be used to switch between Qt4/Qt5. If Qt would be obligatory, no USE=qt would apply. If only one Qt

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 00:34:51 +0800 Ben de Groot wrote: Recently some team members of the Qt project have adopted these ebuild policies: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Qt/Policies I have an issue with the policy adopted under Requires one of two Qt versions. In my opinion, in the case

[gentoo-dev] Re: useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015, Ben de Groot wrote: Recently some team members of the Qt project have adopted these ebuild policies: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Qt/Policies I have an issue with the policy adopted under Requires one of two Qt versions. In my opinion, in the case where a package

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2015-08-03, o godz. 00:34:51 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org napisał(a): Recently some team members of the Qt project have adopted these ebuild policies: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Qt/Policies I have an issue with the policy adopted under Requires one of two Qt versions. In my

[gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Ben de Groot
Recently some team members of the Qt project have adopted these ebuild policies: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Qt/Policies I have an issue with the policy adopted under Requires one of two Qt versions. In my opinion, in the case where a package offers a choice between qt4 or qt5, we should

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:35:27 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2015-08-02, o godz. 21:21:03 Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:27:02 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: Long story short, this is USE=gtk once again. GNOME team had a policy that handled the case

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote: This is a clean solution for developers and maintainers, but not for ordinary users — they will confused by qt qt4 qt5: what is 'qt', how is it different from 'qt4' and 'qt5'. What you are really doing is implementing

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread NP-Hardass
^^ has the pleasant side effect of being easier to read, as a user. The user receives a message saying at-most-one-of instead of some convoluted other expression that they don't understand. I am all for the use of ^^ add the default for this reason. Additionally, ?? has the same effect of

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Davide Pesavento
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Dnia 2015-08-03, o godz. 00:34:51 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org napisał(a): Recently some team members of the Qt project have adopted these ebuild policies: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Qt/Policies I have an

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Davide Pesavento
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote: This is a clean solution for developers and maintainers, but not for ordinary users — they will confused by qt qt4 qt5: what is 'qt', how is it

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-servers/skunkweb

2015-08-02 Thread Patrice Clement
# Patrice Clement monsie...@gentoo.org (3 Aug 2015) # Broken and no releases in 10 years (!). # Removal in 30 days. See bug #451790. www-servers/skunkweb

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 17:14:47 -0400 NP-Hardass np-hard...@gentoo.org wrote: ^^ has the pleasant side effect of being easier to read, as a user. The user receives a message saying at-most-one-of instead of some convoluted other expression that they don't understand. I am all for the use of ^^

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2015-08-02, o godz. 21:50:25 Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:35:27 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2015-08-02, o godz. 21:21:03 Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:27:02 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: Long story

[gentoo-dev] [warning] the bug queue has 96 bugs

2015-08-02 Thread Alex Alexander
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[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2015-08-02 23:59 UTC

2015-08-02 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2015-08-02 23:59 UTC. Removals: games-fps/tremulous 2015-07-30 15:17:39 mr_bones_ Additions: dev-ml/ocaml-base64 2015-07-27 07:49:45 aballier dev-util/Orange

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 02 August 2015 22:22:28 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 17:14:47 -0400 NP-Hardass np-hard...@gentoo.org wrote: ^^ has the pleasant side effect of being easier to read, as a user. The user receives a message saying at-most-one-of instead of some convoluted other

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Monday 03 August 2015 00:34:51 Ben de Groot wrote: Recently some team members of the Qt project have adopted these ebuild policies: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Qt/Policies I have an issue with the policy adopted under Requires one of two Qt versions. In my opinion, in the case

Re: [gentoo-dev] useflag policies

2015-08-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: I find setting USE=qt4 -qt5 a lot more obvious than having USE=qt (why not USE=X ?) which then does different things based on another useflag, sometimes. Maybe. It's horribly inconsistent and even might change result over