Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 06/03/2016 09:07 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 03/06/16 11:26 PM, Nick Vinson wrote: >> >> [ Snip! ] In cases where there's more than 1 option, you have to >> either introduce RESTRICTED_USE as Patrick alluded to, or decide a >> pecking order (or decide who gets to decide the pecking

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-03 Thread Martin Vaeth
Mart Raudsepp wrote: > Ühel kenal päeval, K, 01.06.2016 kell 20:24, kirjutas Martin Vaeth: >> Gentoo has chosen this name so that as a side effect of setting >> USE=linguas_* you also get a correct LINGUAS variable exported >> (according to the USE-settings and your settings and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 14:33:16 -0700 Nick Vinson wrote: > On Jun 3, 2016 1:15 PM, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: > > > > On 03/06/2016 21:34, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 10:35:45AM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote > >> >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
On 03/06/16 11:26 PM, Nick Vinson wrote: > > [ Snip! ] In cases where there's more than 1 option, you have to > either introduce RESTRICTED_USE as Patrick alluded to, or decide a > pecking order (or decide who gets to decide the pecking order). Which dev's already need to do, without USE=gui

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Nick Vinson
On 06/03/2016 07:35 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 02/06/16 09:48 PM, Nick Vinson wrote: >> On 06/02/2016 08:08 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: >>> use case: Telling a package to build a gui without deciding which one >>> to build. Also helps in cases where you have package A that can only >>>

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

2016-06-03 Thread Brian Dolbec
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 19:06:38 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > It seems the three of us who've replied are all available 2016-06-07 > at 2pm UTC. That's 4pm for me. Check

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/06/2016 23:33, Nick Vinson wrote: > USE="gtk" is a dependency. No. It is a feature. However, it is a feature named after the dependencies needed to enable it. If a package has a hard dependency on libgtk, a USE flag would not be added, but a soft dependency on libgtk means that libgtk

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Nick Vinson
On Jun 3, 2016 1:15 PM, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: > > On 03/06/2016 21:34, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 10:35:45AM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote >> >>> USE=gui is about building the graphical user interface that an >>> application offers, when

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread M. J. Everitt
On 03/06/16 21:13, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Walter, > > I think you're missing where the devs want to take this and what USE > is all about. It's about *features*, not about dependencies. > > USE="gtk" is a dependency. > USE="gui" is a feature. > You only need enable a specific graphics lib flag

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/06/2016 21:34, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 10:35:45AM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote USE=gui is about building the graphical user interface that an application offers, when it is optional. That's it. What dependencies that means and so on have nothing to do with

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread waltdnes
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 10:35:45AM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote > USE=gui is about building the graphical user interface that an > application offers, when it is optional. That's it. What > dependencies that means and so on have nothing to do with the flag. That reasoning may have been

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs

2016-06-03 Thread james
On 06/03/2016 12:02 PM, Justin Bronder wrote: On 02/06/16 10:42 -0500, james wrote: On 06/01/2016 06:20 PM, Justin Bronder wrote: > Due to a lack of time and the fact I don't use any of these packages > anymore, they are all up for grabs. > > - media-gfx/openmesh [no project] >

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

2016-06-03 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 It seems the three of us who've replied are all available 2016-06-07 at 2pm UTC. That's 4pm for me. Check when it is in your timezone[0], and I'll see you then! And remember to update the agenda[1] with your items. [0]

[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs

2016-06-03 Thread Justin Bronder
On 02/06/16 10:42 -0500, james wrote: > On 06/01/2016 06:20 PM, Justin Bronder wrote: > > Due to a lack of time and the fact I don't use any of these packages > > anymore, they are all up for grabs. > > > > - media-gfx/openmesh [no project] > > - sys-cluster/ganglia [cluster] > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/03/2016 10:52 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2 czerwca 2016 21:36:10 CEST, waltd...@waltdnes.org napisał(a): >> >> Is it broken right now? What improvement will we see from having to >> add a "GUI" flag? > TL;DR: it's broken as hell, missing GUI, flag conflicts, implicit flags, full >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
On 02/06/16 09:48 PM, Nick Vinson wrote: > On 06/02/2016 08:08 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: >> use case: Telling a package to build a gui without deciding which one >> to build. Also helps in cases where you have package A that can only >> build a qt gui, and package B that can build both qt and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Gordon Pettey
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Damien Levac wrote: > On 2016-06-02 05:27 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> On 06/02/2016 12:57 PM, Damien Levac wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2016-06-02 03:42 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:31:11AM -0400, Damien

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
On 02/06/16 05:27 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > To play devil's advocate, can we get a citation on "users don't want to > care"? Which users? Does Gentoo have a lot of users who don't care, or > does it attract a more passionate audience that enjoys the control that > comes with being source-based?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council Council: call for agenda items for June 12 meeting

2016-06-03 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:01:03 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The Council will be meeting on Sunday June 12. This is a call for any > agenda items. In preferred order of discussion (i.e. shortest topics first): 1. the 'file installation masks' GLEP

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Damien Levac
On 2016-06-02 05:27 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 06/02/2016 12:57 PM, Damien Levac wrote: On 2016-06-02 03:42 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:31:11AM -0400, Damien Levac wrote IMHO, you see this in reverse. the 'gui' useflag would be useful for users who don't

[gentoo-dev] Council Council: call for agenda items for June 12 meeting

2016-06-03 Thread Anthony G. Basile
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-03 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2 czerwca 2016 21:36:10 CEST, waltd...@waltdnes.org napisał(a): >On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:50:59AM +0100, Graham Murray wrote >> waltd...@waltdnes.org writes: >> >> > Let me re-phrase my question... is there *ANY* set of >circumstances >> > under which any of