[gentoo-dev] Re: Modification proposal for user/group creation when ROOT!="/"

Hi Farid, This is an excellent idea! It is very helpful for Gentoo Prefix/libc, where we maintain a set of nss databases (passwd, group, shadow, etc.) inside a directory prefix. Farid BENAMROUCHE writes: > Currently there is an old known limitation when using ROOT= option

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New GLEP: file installation masks

> On Fri, 20 May 2016, Michał Górny wrote: > Sometime around a year ago, I started working on extending > INSTALL_MASK to support well-defined locations. The work was never > finished, and I just found my old specification for it. I've cleaned > it up a bit, and extended it into a complete

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 08/06/16 04:13, Matthew Marchese wrote: > On 06/07/2016 02:29 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > >> Its time to retire the project. Put out a last call for anyone to adopt >> it. If not, then freeze commits but leave the repo open as an archive. >> Anyone who wants to scavenge ebuilds from it can

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 06/07/2016 02:29 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > Its time to retire the project. Put out a last call for anyone to adopt > it. If not, then freeze commits but leave the repo open as an archive. > Anyone who wants to scavenge ebuilds from it can do so. I agree. We should be a better job at

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016, M. J. Everitt wrote: My concern is for those people using sunrise packages (in whatever broken state) who might suddenly discover they have completly lost access to the overlay 'overnight'. Whilst I'm not expecting the server/repo suddenly to disappear .. there should be a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default DOCS for einstalldocs and HACKING file

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/07/2016 06:19 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 07/06/16 23:50, NP-Hardass wrote: >> From what I've seen, HACKING is a fairly common doc in FOSS projects. >> It doesn't seem to have been included in the default DOCS for >> einstalldocs in EAPI6.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default DOCS for einstalldocs and HACKING file

On 07/06/16 23:50, NP-Hardass wrote: > From what I've seen, HACKING is a fairly common doc in FOSS projects. > It doesn't seem to have been included in the default DOCS for > einstalldocs in EAPI6. While going through the MATE packages, I noticed > that we have quite a few packages that include

[gentoo-dev] Default DOCS for einstalldocs and HACKING file

From what I've seen, HACKING is a fairly common doc in FOSS projects. It doesn't seem to have been included in the default DOCS for einstalldocs in EAPI6. While going through the MATE packages, I noticed that we have quite a few packages that include HACKING in DOCS, so I cannot delete the DOCS

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Brian Dolbec wrote: > > an ordered list of the gui toolkits in their preferred order of > desirability. This should be an all inclusive list. Note: these are > subject to package.use setting overrides. > This has been my thought as well. This

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Sunrise was a great way to learn packaging for Gentoo. Reviews were *very* > strict in the past, resulting in better QA standards than the Gentoo main tree > - - and a definite frustration threshold that one had to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Di, 2016-06-07 at 12:03 -0700, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:29:58 -0400 > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > > > On 06/07/2016 12:20 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > > > > > So many weird ideas... while the simplest one is a proper > > > REQUIRED_USE with gui

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-text/htmltidy: Maintainer Request

On 06/06/2016 10:55 AM, Yury German wrote: > Well a few things need to happen: > > 1. app-text/tidy-html5 - Need to go Stabl > 2. dep and rdep need to be migrated to tidy-html5 and tested. > Please also make sure that tidy-html5 has the same KEYWORDS as htmltidy. We support a lot of the weird

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On 06/07/2016 04:59 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> >> I'll believe this when I see it =P > > You won't because the Gentoo way is to create a shitload of hacks > instead of fixing the root issue. > I'm not arguing for anything here, I'm just toying around with an idea for fun. What we want is a way

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 22:59:42 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Not 5 minutes. Depending on the context, Portage can complain about > REQUIRED_USE in a few seconds because it has no further point > in evaluating the depgraph. ...but it shouldn't, because then it only gives you the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 16:31:52 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 06/07/2016 02:57 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > The point is that: > > > > 1. REQUIRED_USE is semi-machine-understandable while pkg_pretend() is > > some random function crap. > > Why do users care about that?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On 06/07/2016 02:57 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > The point is that: > > 1. REQUIRED_USE is semi-machine-understandable while pkg_pretend() is > some random function crap. Why do users care about that? Why do I even care about that? The whole ebuild is random function crap. The only benefit is

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 > > Your thoughts? > > [1]:https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Sunrise Sunrise was a great way to learn packaging for Gentoo. Reviews were *very* strict in the past, resulting in better QA standards than the Gentoo main tree - - and a definite

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: LINGUAS USE_EXPAND renamed to L10N

Ulrich Mueller schrieb: POSIX.1-2008[2] as you mentioned defines a slightly different format for locales language[_territory][.codeset] Only LC_COLLATE, LC_CTYPE, LC_MESSAGES, LC_MONETARY, LC_NUMERIC, and LC_TIME additionally accept specification of a modifier.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:29:58 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 06/07/2016 12:20 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > So many weird ideas... while the simplest one is a proper > > REQUIRED_USE with gui being the control flag, and IUSE defaults to > > select the preferred toolkit. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:50:36 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 06/07/2016 12:20 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > >> > >> A pkg_pretend() message would certainly make sense and IMO be a good > >> idea, but again this isn't any different than the situation as it > >> stands now WITHOUT a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On 06/07/2016 12:20 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> >> A pkg_pretend() message would certainly make sense and IMO be a good >> idea, but again this isn't any different than the situation as it >> stands now WITHOUT a USE=gui. Regardless I don't see this as a >> blocker to the idea. > > Nope, it

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > I'm against keeping it in repos.xml for more than a month, considering > the current (huge) state of breakage it is in. Other repositories with > similar breakage were already removed. Maybe do a regular old "Packages for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On 06/07/2016 12:20 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > So many weird ideas... while the simplest one is a proper REQUIRED_USE > with gui being the control flag, and IUSE defaults to select > the preferred toolkit. > This is what came to my mind. The underlying problem that we are hitting (a la

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: LINGUAS USE_EXPAND renamed to L10N

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 03:22:34 +0300 Mart Raudsepp wrote: > First draft of news item for proceeding with LINGUAS USE_EXPAND rename > to L10N independently of the INSTALL_MASK feature additions. > > I hope English natives will improve the sentence flow and grammar here > :) >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:53:54 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 04/06/16 01:40 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > On 06/03/2016 09:07 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > >> On 03/06/16 11:26 PM, Nick Vinson wrote: > >>> > >>> [ Snip! ] In cases where there's more than 1 option, you

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 6/7/16 11:37 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 15:56:16 +0100 > "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > >> On 07/06/16 16:44, james wrote: >>> On 06/07/2016 09:25 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Wouldn't removing it from repositories.xml have pretty much the same effect?

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 07/06/16 16:37, Michał Górny wrote: > I'm against keeping it in repos.xml for more than a month, considering > the current (huge) state of breakage it is in. Other repositories with > similar breakage were already removed. > In which case, we should get a notice out post-haste ... My concern

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 16:29:01 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Friends, > > Thank you for a nice meeting. A summary has been made available along > with the full log[0]. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 15:56:16 +0100 "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > On 07/06/16 16:44, james wrote: > > On 06/07/2016 09:25 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > >> Wouldn't removing it from repositories.xml have pretty much the same > >> effect? > >> > >> Also, i think we should make the

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 07/06/16 16:44, james wrote: > On 06/07/2016 09:25 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >> Wouldn't removing it from repositories.xml have pretty much the same >> effect? >> >> Also, i think we should make the unreviewed repo public then, so >> people can get the newest ebuilds. > > Perhaps a deprecation

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 06/07/2016 09:25 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 7 czerwca 2016 16:16:38 CEST, Ian Stakenvicius napisał(a): On 07/06/16 05:18 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Robin H. Johnson > wrote: On Tue,

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Friends, Thank you for a nice meeting. A summary has been made available along with the full log[0]. Brian, could you upload the log to your devspace and link that instead of the bpaste? It would be nice to have them all in the same place. If you

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

Dnia 7 czerwca 2016 16:16:38 CEST, Ian Stakenvicius napisał(a): >On 07/06/16 05:18 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Robin H. Johnson > > wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 09:44:42AM +0200,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On 07/06/16 10:19 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 07/06/16 05:19 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: >> On 06/06/2016 04:53 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >>> >>> This -can- be simplified using a REQUIRED_USE to force just-one-of >>> gtk3,qt4,qt5 , but you can technically do the same with USE=gui too -- >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On 07/06/16 05:19 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 06/06/2016 04:53 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> >> This -can- be simplified using a REQUIRED_USE to force just-one-of >> gtk3,qt4,qt5 , but you can technically do the same with USE=gui too -- >> all you'd need to do is add dependencies for the

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 07/06/16 05:18 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Robin H. Johnson > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 09:44:42AM +0200, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 07/06/16 19:29, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > Its time to retire the project. Put out a last call for anyone to adopt > it. If not, then freeze commits but leave the repo open as an archive. > Anyone who wants to scavenge ebuilds from it can do so. This seems reasonable - it allows packages

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 07/06/16 10:29, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > Its time to retire the project. Put out a last call for anyone to adopt > it. If not, then freeze commits but leave the repo open as an archive. > Anyone who wants to scavenge ebuilds from it can do so. > > +1 - This sounds like a fairly sensible

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/06/16 13:27, James Le Cuirot wrote: > What does that mean? It means that it is made explicit in some way clearly visible to the end-user. > Take www-client/otter, for example. It's a qt5-based browser. It > doesn't have the qt5 flag. How can

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:23:49 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 07/06/16 11:27, James Le Cuirot wrote: > > > Some packages require qt5 unconditionally, is that bad too? > > It is if the requirement isn't made explicit. What does that mean? Take www-client/otter, for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/06/16 11:27, James Le Cuirot wrote: > I don't think that's unreasonable given that it only does that > when qt4 and gtk3 are disabled. It is horribly counter-intuitive. -qt5 should never result in qt5. > Some packages require qt5

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/06/16 09:48, Michał Górny wrote: >> Could you add the topic of PMS compliance patches for me? Done. >> In case the latter happens, [here's a] short note I will paste this when we begin the discussion. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: LINGUAS USE_EXPAND renamed to L10N

> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: >> I'm not totally convinced yet. >> Following the BCP-47 spec the format is >> Language-Tag = langtag ; normal language tags >> langtag = language >> ["-" script] >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On 6/6/16 5:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > It has recently came to my attention that things are quite bad with > the Sunrise project [1] lately. Most of the developers have left > the project, and it seems that the contributors have done the same. > The public reviewed

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 11:19:13 +0200 Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 06/06/2016 04:53 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > > This -can- be simplified using a REQUIRED_USE to force just-one-of > > gtk3,qt4,qt5 , but you can technically do the same with USE=gui too > > -- all you'd need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

How about simply closing sunrise to new packages, and migrate them to elsewhere as resources permit? Just plugging the spigot and deprecating it would improve things. On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 09:44:42AM +0200,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

On 06/06/2016 04:53 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > This -can- be simplified using a REQUIRED_USE to force just-one-of > gtk3,qt4,qt5 , but you can technically do the same with USE=gui too -- > all you'd need to do is add dependencies for the no-specific-flag case. > > RDEPEND="... > qt5? (

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 09:44:42AM +0200, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Your thoughts? > I would agree that proxy-maint and GH pull requests are better than > sunrise, and so we should probably sunset (pun intended) the

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

Dnia 3 czerwca 2016 19:06:38 CEST, Alexander Berntsen napisał(a): >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA512 > >It seems the three of us who've replied are all available 2016-06-07 >at 2pm UTC. That's 4pm for me. Check when it is in your timezone[0], >and I'll see you

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of the Sunrise project

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Your thoughts? I would agree that proxy-maint and GH pull requests are better than sunrise, and so we should probably sunset (pun intended) the latter. Cheers, Dirkjan