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diff --git a/meeting-logs/20231210.txt b/meeting-logs/20231210.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..af9cca6 --- /dev/null +++ b/meeting-logs/20231210.txt @@ -0,0 +1,163 @@ +14:00 <@ mattst88> | meeting time! +14:00 <@ mattst88> | !proj council +14:01 < willikins> | (coun...@gentoo.org) ajak, dilfridge, mattst88, mgorny, sam, soap, ulm +14:01 * | dilfridge here +14:01 <@ sam_> | \o +14:01 <@ mattst88> | Roll call! +14:01 * | ulm here +14:01 * | mattst88 here +14:01 * | ajak here +14:01 * | sam_ here +14:01 * | dilfridge here +14:02 <@ mattst88> | soap, mgorny: ping. we'll wait a few minutes +14:05 <@ mattst88> | alright, let's get started +14:05 <@ mattst88> | 2. Foundation dissolution status update +14:05 <@ mattst88> | ulm, dilfridge: want to comment? +14:05 <@ dilfridge> | not much new from me +14:05 <@ mattst88> | okay +14:05 <@ ulm> | no news from our side +14:06 <@ dilfridge> | I talked to tomaw a bit but spi doesnt handle much for oftc +14:06 <@ sam_> | I think mattst88 pinged X11 again, and dilfridge spo- +14:06 <@ ulm> | has anyone talked to other distros? +14:06 <@ mattst88> | I pinged the X.Org board by email and on #xf-bod on OFTC and never heard anything back :( +14:06 <@ dilfridge> | also, I wanted to read the logs of the spi board meeting but didnt get to it +14:06 <@ dilfridge> | => holidays +14:07 <@ mattst88> | okay, thanks +14:07 <@ ulm> | we'll go ahead with SPI only if we get the council's mandate for it +14:07 <@ mattst88> | okay, next topic +14:07 <@ ajak> | i think i'd want some kind of "yeah they're fine" from a third party before fully committing +14:07 <@ mattst88> | from ulm: +14:08 <@ dilfridge> | ajak++ +14:08 <@ ulm> | wfm +14:08 <@ mattst88> | I'd like the council to clarify the allarches stabilisation policy. +14:08 <@ mattst88> | In particular, can we allow self-stabilisation by maintainers for +14:08 <@ mattst88> | allarches packages, if the requirements for testing the package are +14:08 <@ mattst88> | fulfilled on at least one arch (e.g. stable system or stable chroot). +14:08 <@ mattst88> | --- +14:08 <@ mattst88> | this seems fine to me, IMO +14:08 <@ dilfridge> | works for me +14:08 <@ sam_> | sure +14:08 <@ ulm> | just asking for a nod from the council if it's ok like this +14:09 <@ sam_> | no reason not to and I think it's been applied like this at least by some in the past too +14:09 <@ ajak> | yes, allarches shouldn't change the calculus of maintainer-stabilization +14:09 <@ mattst88> | yep, any need for a vote? +14:09 <@ soap> | sorry, was in the train +14:09 <+ arthurzam> | only keywording/rekeywording should go through the full arch testing +14:09 <+ arthurzam> | no issue with stabling +14:09 <@ ulm> | I don't need one unless someone would disagree +14:09 * | soap here now +14:09 <@ mattst88> | hello soap :) +14:09 <@ dilfridge> | seems like we're all on the same pahe +14:09 <@ mattst88> | ulm: okay, thank you +14:09 <@ dilfridge> | page +14:10 <@ mattst88> | next topic +14:10 <@ mattst88> | arthurzam requests Council approval of a few changes to GLEP 84 +14:10 <+ arthurzam> | (this is a new GLEP) +14:10 <@ mattst88> | the link in the email seems to not work (https://gitweb.gentoo.org/data/glep.git/tree/glep-0084.rst?h=glep-0084) +14:10 <@ dilfridge> | that's the package.mask format? +14:11 <@ ulm> | it's acceptance of the GLEP, right? +14:11 <+ arthurzam> | https://www.gentoo.org/glep/glep-0084.html +14:11 <+ arthurzam> | Yes +14:11 <@ mattst88> | I'm fine with this. does anyone have any concerns? +14:12 <@ sam_> | no, very happy indeed, thank you for doing it +14:12 <@ soap> | thanks arthurzam! +14:13 <@ mattst88> | awesome, time for a vote I think? +14:13 <@ mattst88> | Motion: Accept GLEP 84 (https://www.gentoo.org/glep/glep-0084.html) +14:13 * | ajak yes +14:13 * | mattst88 yes +14:13 * | sam_ yes +14:13 * | ulm yes +14:14 * | soap yes +14:14 * | dilfridge yes +14:14 <@ mattst88> | yay, 6-0 +14:14 <@ mattst88> | thanks arthurzam! +14:14 <+ arthurzam> | Thank you +14:14 <+ arthurzam> | > a small editor request, of not needed council approval just for inserting links implementation commits of the tools. +14:14 <+ arthurzam> | This is fine, right? +14:14 <@ ulm> | obviously :) +14:14 <@ dilfridge> | of course, yes +14:14 <@ soap> | I would hope so +14:15 <+ arthurzam> | ok, just making sure +14:15 <@ mattst88> | next topic +14:15 <@ mattst88> | Open bugs with council participation +14:15 <@ mattst88> | I don't see any. anything I'm unaware of? +14:15 <+ arthurzam> | You forgot https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council#Arch-status_Reviews +14:15 <@ mattst88> | oh, I'm sorry +14:15 <@ mattst88> | thanks for bringing that up +14:16 <@ mattst88> | I think we're generally fine? +14:16 <+ arthurzam> | I think ia64 is coming to a sad story end +14:16 <@ dilfridge> | https://www.akhuettel.de/gentoo-bugs/arches.php +14:16 <+ arthurzam> | Alpha is advancing to become exp -> dev +14:16 <@ mattst88> | arthurzam has added some recent output to soko for finding and dekeywording leaf packages +14:17 <@ sam_> | yeah, I think we'll need to talk about how to wind ia64 down sooner or later +14:17 <@ dilfridge> | the graphs look ok, only x86 slightly worrying +14:17 <@ sam_> | from my perspective, the only real issue is better figuring out how to explain what to keyword/not, but arthur is handling that well with the leaf packages strategy +14:17 <+ arthurzam> | Just for paper trail for mattst88: https://packages.gentoo.org/arches/amd64/leaf-packages +14:17 <@ dilfridge> | I think dropping ia64 from glibc was postponed +14:18 <+ arthurzam> | I've also started to dekeyword clearly mistaken packages on small arches (like www-apps/moodle on alpha & ia64) +14:18 <@ dilfridge> | so we can still go on there for a while... whether putting much effort in makes sense is another question +14:19 <@ dilfridge> | also if ever guppy dies we're dead in the water anyway +14:19 <@ sam_> | heh +14:19 <+ arthurzam> | It already sometimes dies, until sam kicks it remotly +14:19 <@ sam_> | but i think we're okay overall, no real need for council intervention at this point, other than maybe shepherding ia64 death when we get a little bit closer to that... +14:19 <@ mattst88> | okay, sounds like things are in good shape and/or we have a handle on things +14:19 <@ mattst88> | yep +14:19 <@ mattst88> | next topic +14:19 <@ mattst88> | Open Floor +14:19 <@ dilfridge> | I tried and failed bootstrapping riscv32 once more +14:20 <@ dilfridge> | ok +14:20 <@ dilfridge> | so about FOSDEM +14:20 <@ dilfridge> | we requested a stand again same as in previous years (and in time for all deadlines) +14:21 <@ dilfridge> | unfortunately we're not on the in-the-meantime published list +14:21 <@ dilfridge> | when we noticed, we sent a (friendly and polite :) mail to the organizers +14:21 <@ ulm> | did you get any reply? +14:22 <@ dilfridge> | (content roughly, we've had a stand many times, it's a centerpoint of our dev community, etc etc) +14:22 <@ dilfridge> | no response so far +14:22 <@ dilfridge> | the mail was on 5/Dec +14:22 <@ ajak> | can you give a rough timeline? when the application was sent, the deadline, when the question about it was asked +14:24 <@ dilfridge> | * The confirmation of the stand application is from 22 October +14:24 <@ dilfridge> | * The initial Call for Proposals says "Deadline closes the 8th of December; accepted stands will be announced the 20th of December." +14:25 <@ dilfridge> | * That was amended on 1 November as follows: "Submission deadline 10th November instead of 20th of November. Publication date on 20th November instead of 4th December." +14:26 <@ dilfridge> | (on a separate post) +14:26 <@ ulm> | the old dates there aren't consistent with the first announcement +14:26 <@ dilfridge> | * The list of accepted stands was posted on 20 November +14:26 <@ dilfridge> | * Our query was sent on 5 December +14:27 <@ dilfridge> | ulm: yes I know +14:27 <@ dilfridge> | but that's not my pile of ... +14:27 <@ mattst88> | I guess let's ping them after a week without a reply? +14:27 <@ dilfridge> | yes, sounds good +14:28 <@ ulm> | on the bright side, we'll have a stand at 37C3 in Hamburg: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2023/hub/en/assembly/Gentoo/ +14:28 <@ ajak> | does anyone perhaps know any of the organizers? +14:28 <@ sam_> | oh nice +14:28 <@ dilfridge> | nice +14:28 <@ dilfridge> | not me, unfortunately +14:28 <@ mattst88> | any other topics for open floor? +14:28 < arthurzam> | mattst88: friendly reminder missing summary https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Meeting_logs +14:28 <@ mattst88> | arthurzam: yep, ack +14:29 <@ dilfridge> | two related things, +14:29 <@ dilfridge> | next systemd release (upstream already released) is 255, which drops support for split-usr +14:29 <@ dilfridge> | the masks are already in place, so split-usr installs just won't update for the moment +14:30 <@ dilfridge> | doesnt change that they should better migrate to merged-usr soon +14:30 <@ dilfridge> | and +14:30 <@ dilfridge> | firing up stages builds for 23.0 profiles (which default to merged-usr) is ongoing +14:30 <@ soap> | can’t wait for the bikeshed +14:31 <@ mgorny> | ah, sorry +14:31 <@ dilfridge> | if anyone wants to follow it, https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_profile_timeline +14:31 <@ ulm> | will it be ready this year still? +14:31 <@ mgorny> | got so deep into ebuilding that i've lost track of everything +14:31 <@ ajak> | well, fortunately a news was posted a year ago, so i'm not sure there's much discussion to be had around split-usr +14:31 <@ dilfridge> | ulm: not sure, depends on my time and on everything working +14:31 <@ sam_> | i don't expect us to finish it this year, there's some other stuff taking priority atm +14:31 <@ dilfridge> | yes +14:31 <@ dilfridge> | indeed +14:32 <@ ulm> | renamimg to 24.0 is trivial I guess :) +14:32 <@ dilfridge> | no +14:32 <@ ulm> | no? +14:32 <+ floppym> | Thanks for all the hard work this year. +14:32 <@ sam_> | gosh, it's time to start thinking about the year in gentoo already as well.. +14:32 <@ sam_> | you too :) +14:32 <@ dilfridge> | if you mean me, others did much more +14:32 <+ floppym> | Just making a general statement. +14:33 <@ mattst88> | alright, if there's nothing else for open floor +14:33 <@ dilfridge> | sam_: indeed, I'll start collecting stuff soon +14:33 * | mattst88 bangs the gavel diff --git a/meeting-logs/20231210.txt.asc b/meeting-logs/20231210.txt.asc new file mode 100644 index 0000000..d57155f --- /dev/null +++ b/meeting-logs/20231210.txt.asc @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v2 + +iOoEABYKAJIWIQReryEEmoa4pUzLG/qs6yl0DJpOlwUCZaAevF8UgAAAAAAuAChp +c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0NUVB +RjIxMDQ5QTg2QjhBNTRDQ0IxQkZBQUNFQjI5NzQwQzlBNEU5NxQcbWF0dHN0ODhA +Z2VudG9vLm9yZwAKCRCs6yl0DJpOl/1tAP9OKMIDTT2pMXGZQI8Zs5skG0tWEoQt +hTe6BS//rHd6AwEAwgt9JUrozcxllN0ObEdjHLvRKXHcTxRqT0cPU+AKGg0= +=ft7P +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- 2.43.0
