Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 14 December 2012 02:49:08 George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 13 December 2012 12:59:40 Jory A. Pratt wrote: But to keep ebuilds for ex. gcc around for over 5 years is just insane. I would argue, that stuff like gcc and some other system packages should be kept forewer. One

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 13 December 2012 13:59:40 Jory A. Pratt wrote: Well there are exceptions to every rule, it is the ideal to get a discussion to make a better decision as to when a revision of a package should be removed and no longer supported. Well many slots can be useful for many packages, there

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 19 December 2012 18:56:10 Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 14 December 2012 02:49:08 George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 13 December 2012 12:59:40 Jory A. Pratt wrote: But to keep ebuilds for ex. gcc around for over 5 years is just insane. I would argue, that stuff like gcc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 December 2012 06:21, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: William Hubbs schrieb: For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I think that if we are going to keep things this old in the tree we need a good reason for them. iirc, gcc-2.95 and linux-2.4 (still used for some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 December 2012 07:56, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thursday 13 December 2012 21:25:59 Markos Chandras wrote: We also have 720 packages listed as maintainer-needed[1] meaning nobody is actually taking care of them. And this number is pretty scary. Scary how? With over

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 10:51 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:06:34PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 06:49 PM, William Hubbs wrote: For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:25:59 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: We also have 720 packages listed as maintainer-needed[1] meaning nobody is actually taking care of them. And this number is pretty scary. [1]http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/maintainer-needed.xml Why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread James Cloos
WH == William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org writes: WH For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I think that if we are going to WH keep things this old in the tree we need a good reason for them. gcc-2.95 is still the current version for some non-mainstream dist+ architecture tuples. The ability to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 13-12-2012 a las 21:51 -0600, William Hubbs escribió: [...] I'm wondering if packages assigned to maintainer-needed should be looked at and removed since no one cares about them after they have sat there for a certain amount of time? They are, aren't they? treecleaners has

[gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Jory A. Pratt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As many of us are aware the tree is growing to a size that is really unacceptable for many. We have many packages that have excessive amounts of versions laying around that are not used any more. Many of these packages with excessive revisions most

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 13-12-2012 a las 12:31 -0600, Jory A. Pratt escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As many of us are aware the tree is growing to a size that is really unacceptable for many. We have many packages that have excessive amounts of versions laying around that are not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
2012/12/13 Jory A. Pratt anar...@gentoo.org: As many of us are aware the tree is growing to a size that is really unacceptable for many. We have many packages that have excessive amounts of versions laying around that are not used any more. Many of these packages with excessive revisions most

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
2012/12/13 Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com: But there is one big ass but. We have some packages that were stabilised last time few year back and they provide multiple testing versions on top of that. Who is the one to deterimine which one should go stable and which to get rid of? We

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Jory A. Pratt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2012 12:48 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: But there is one big ass but. We have some packages that were stabilised last time few year back and they provide multiple testing versions on top of that. Who is the one to deterimine which one

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread William Hubbs
I think another good reason for treecleaning a package is if upstream for the package stops supporting their package and recommends that you use a new package. In this situation, once the new package hits stable, there is really not a reason to keep the old package around. Instead, any necessary

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 13-12-2012 a las 13:10 -0600, William Hubbs escribió: I think another good reason for treecleaning a package is if upstream for the package stops supporting their package and recommends that you use a new package. In this situation, once the new package hits stable, there is really not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Markos Chandras
On 13 December 2012 19:28, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El jue, 13-12-2012 a las 13:10 -0600, William Hubbs escribió: I think another good reason for treecleaning a package is if upstream for the package stops supporting their package and recommends that you use a new package. In this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jory A. Pratt anar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2012 12:48 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: But there is one big ass but. We have some packages that were stabilised last time few year back and they provide multiple

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Jeff Horelick
On 13 December 2012 17:57, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jory A. Pratt anar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2012 12:48 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: But there is one big ass but. We have some packages that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 06:24:30PM -0500, Jeff Horelick wrote: On 13 December 2012 17:57, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jory A. Pratt anar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2012 12:48 PM, Tomáš Chvátal

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 06:24 PM, Jeff Horelick wrote: On 13 December 2012 17:57, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jory A. Pratt anar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 06:49 PM, William Hubbs wrote: For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I think that if we are going to keep things this old in the tree we need a good reason for them. iirc, gcc-2.95 and linux-2.4 (still used for some embedded systems)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: +1 , the ability to install older versions of software or legacy software is one of the reasons I switched to Gentoo in the first place. There is of course a point when these packages can no longer be maintained, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:06:34PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 06:49 PM, William Hubbs wrote: For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I think that if we are going to keep things this old in the tree we need a good reason for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 05:57:16PM -0500, Mike Gilbert wrote: I am sure that some people find it very handy to have old gcc ebuilds around. It might come in handy for testing. Testhing what? It doesn't matter if they can't compile the latest kernel. If someone files a bug for that, it gets

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:07 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 05:57:16PM -0500, Mike Gilbert wrote: I am sure that some people find it very handy to have old gcc ebuilds around. It might come in handy for testing. Testhing what? Maybe to see if my code

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
William Hubbs schrieb: For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I think that if we are going to keep things this old in the tree we need a good reason for them. iirc, gcc-2.95 and linux-2.4 (still used for some embedded systems) play best together. I'm not sure how strong this argument is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread George Shapovalov
On Thursday 13 December 2012 12:59:40 Jory A. Pratt wrote: But to keep ebuilds for ex. gcc around for over 5 years is just insane. What? I would argue, that stuff like gcc and some other system packages should be kept forewer. One (working) version per SLOT is enough, but these should just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread George Shapovalov
On Thursday 13 December 2012 21:25:59 Markos Chandras wrote: We also have 720 packages listed as maintainer-needed[1] meaning nobody is actually taking care of them. And this number is pretty scary. Scary how? With over 15000 packages total by now (in only the official tree; or even more, what