Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Dean Stephens desult...@gentoo.org wrote: On 03/27/15 15:29, Hanno Böck wrote: These days pretty much all big players use https only (google, facebook, twitter, github, ...). You can't really use the mainstream internet if your firewall blocks https. Can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-30 Thread Dean Stephens
On 03/27/15 15:29, Hanno Böck wrote: These days pretty much all big players use https only (google, facebook, twitter, github, ...). You can't really use the mainstream internet if your firewall blocks https. Can we please stop making stuff up[1] just to make an argument seem stronger to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-29 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2015-03-27, o godz. 15:33:15 Hanno Böck ha...@gentoo.org napisał(a): I think defaulting the net to HTTPS is a big step for more security and I think Gentoo should join the trend here. While I don't mind this entirely, we need to make sure to get things right. For example, I'm quite

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-29 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2015-03-29, o godz. 18:50:17 Hanno Böck ha...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:46:05 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: While I don't mind this entirely, we need to make sure to get things right. For example, I'm quite unhappy being unable to use Forums or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-29 Thread James Le Cuirot
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:23:51 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Xperia X10 Mini, with ancient Android 2.1. bugs.gentoo.org works, though it complains about hostname mismatch (I guess it doesn't handle wildcard certs or sth). Not exactly, it can't handle servers with more than one

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-29 Thread Hanno Böck
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:46:05 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: While I don't mind this entirely, we need to make sure to get things right. For example, I'm quite unhappy being unable to use Forums or sources.g.o from my phone because of some SSL issues… Can you be more specific on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-28 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 27.03.2015 15:33, Hanno Böck wrote: I think defaulting the net to HTTPS is a big step for more security and I think Gentoo should join the trend here. Yes please! Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-28 Thread Alexander Berntsen
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-28 Thread Vladimir Smirnov
Just my 5c: On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:18:24 + Robin H. Johnson robb...@gentoo.org wrote: * Make sure all use modern HTTPS features, including: * OCSP Stapling SSLUseStapling is Apache 2.3+ only, and that isn't stable yet. You can always set up Nginx, if not instead, but at least in

[gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Hanno Böck
Hi, Right now a number of Gentoo webpages are by default served over http. There is a growing trend to push more webpages to default to https, mostly pushed by google. I think this is a good thing and I think Gentoo should follow. Right now we seem to have a mix: * A number of webpages default

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Thomas D.
Hi, Hanno Böck wrote: Right now a number of Gentoo webpages are by default served over http. There is a growing trend to push more webpages to default to https, mostly pushed by google. I think this is a good thing and I think Gentoo should follow. +1 Right now we seem to have a mix: * A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Marc Schiffbauer
TL;DR: Yes! * Hanno Böck schrieb am 27.03.15 um 15:33 Uhr: Hi, Right now a number of Gentoo webpages are by default served over http. There is a growing trend to push more webpages to default to https, mostly pushed by google. I think this is a good thing and I think Gentoo should follow.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Hanno Böck ha...@gentoo.org wrote: I'd propose the following: * Make all pages under .gentoo.org https by default * Make sure all use modern HTTPS features, including: * OCSP Stapling * HSTS * A secure collection of cipher suites * (one may add HPKP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Hanno Böck
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:14:02 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: As has been pointed out, this is a moot issue for Gentoo. However, I'm not aware of anybody who both offers a free certificate and will let you change your private key if it is compromised free of charge. I think wosign

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 03:33:15PM +0100, Hanno Böck wrote: Right now a number of Gentoo webpages are by default served over http. There is a growing trend to push more webpages to default to https, mostly pushed by google. I think this is a good thing and I think Gentoo should follow. Please

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 04:44:16PM +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: Certificates are too expensive Gentoo already has certs for all pages, so this is not an argument here, but if this ever becomes an issue there are a number of CAs these days that issue free certs. In summer the community based

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Hanno Böck ha...@gentoo.org wrote: SSLUseStapling is Apache 2.3+ only, and that isn't stable yet. That's unfortunate, apache 2.2 is pretty outdated when it comes to tls security. Please help with the blockers for 2.4 stabilization! Cheers, Dirkjan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Hanno Böck
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:18:24 + Robin H. Johnson robb...@gentoo.org wrote: * Some with logins are mixed http/login-via-https, which makes them vulnerable to ssl-stripping-attacks (e.g. wiki.gentoo.org) Are you sure about this? Everything on wiki should always redirect to SSL very

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote: * Hanno Böck schrieb am 27.03.15 um 15:33 Uhr: Certificates are too expensive Gentoo already has certs for all pages, so this is not an argument here, but if this ever becomes an issue there are a number of CAs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 06:14:38PM +0100, Thomas D. wrote: Right now we seem to have a mix: * A number of webpages default to http and have optional https (www.gentoo.org) * Some with sensitive logins are already https by default (e.g. bugs.gentoo.org), but they don't use hsts, which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should Gentoo do https by default?

2015-03-27 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 27 March 2015 at 19:14, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: StartSSL in fact refuses to revoke certificates even when people publish their private keys publicly. If you buy a previously-used domain you might want to make sure that there isn't a StartSSL certificate floating around for it