Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-08 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/08/2015 08:02 AM, Mark Kubacki wrote: > On 03/06/2015 09:50 AM, Mark Kubacki wrote: >> >> And by default you cannot compare the result with any authoritative source. > > 2015-03-08 0:26 GMT+01:00 Zac Medico : >> >> Ideally, we can rely on security mechanisms built into git [1], possibly >> i

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-08 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/08/2015 07:59 AM, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > Zac Medico: >> On 03/06/2015 09:50 AM, Mark Kubacki wrote: >>> We're on the same side here. >>> >>> Do we have numbers showing the ratio "portage used with defaults" vs. >>> where "[webrsync-gpg] is described in many hardening guides for gentoo >>>

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-08 Thread Mark Kubacki
On 03/06/2015 09:50 AM, Mark Kubacki wrote: > > And by default you cannot compare the result with any authoritative source. 2015-03-08 0:26 GMT+01:00 Zac Medico : > > Ideally, we can rely on security mechanisms built into git [1], possibly > involving signed commits. Some brownfield thinking here

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-08 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Zac Medico: > On 03/06/2015 09:50 AM, Mark Kubacki wrote: >> We're on the same side here. >> >> Do we have numbers showing the ratio "portage used with defaults" vs. >> where "[webrsync-gpg] is described in many hardening guides for gentoo >> and widely used among the security conscious" applies? >

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-07 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 18:31:44 -0800 Zac Medico wrote: > On 03/07/2015 05:24 PM, Brian Dolbec wrote: > > On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:26:26 -0800 > > Zac Medico wrote: > > > >> On 03/06/2015 09:50 AM, Mark Kubacki wrote: > >>> We're on the same side here. > >>> > >>> Do we have numbers showing the rati

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-07 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/07/2015 05:24 PM, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:26:26 -0800 > Zac Medico wrote: > >> On 03/06/2015 09:50 AM, Mark Kubacki wrote: >>> We're on the same side here. >>> >>> Do we have numbers showing the ratio "portage used with defaults" >>> vs. where "[webrsync-gpg] is describ

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-07 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:26:26 -0800 Zac Medico wrote: > On 03/06/2015 09:50 AM, Mark Kubacki wrote: > > We're on the same side here. > > > > Do we have numbers showing the ratio "portage used with defaults" > > vs. where "[webrsync-gpg] is described in many hardening guides for > > gentoo and wid

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-07 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/06/2015 09:50 AM, Mark Kubacki wrote: > We're on the same side here. > > Do we have numbers showing the ratio "portage used with defaults" vs. > where "[webrsync-gpg] is described in many hardening guides for gentoo > and widely used among the security conscious" applies? > > DNS not being

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-06 Thread Mark Kubacki
2015-03-06 1:56 GMT+01:00 Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina : > > tl;dr webrsync-gpg is a built in feature of the package manager which > OPTIONALLY adds a significant amount of security against the attacks > described on your website. This is not currently the default setting, > however, it is described i

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-06 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:20:27 -0500 "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" wrote: > On 03/06/15 08:53, Mark Kubacki wrote: > > 2015-03-06 1:56 GMT+01:00 Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina > > : > >> > >> tl;dr webrsync-gpg is a built in feature of the package manager > >> which OPTIONALLY adds a significant amount of

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-06 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Hi, it was naive of me to attempt to create such a comparison table. Takes much more time than I have available for this. It was to be expected that there are disagreements and I cannot resolve them without checking the code myself and perhaps without coming up with proof of concept exploitation

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-06 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
On 03/06/15 08:53, Mark Kubacki wrote: > 2015-03-06 1:56 GMT+01:00 Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina : >> >> tl;dr webrsync-gpg is a built in feature of the package manager which >> OPTIONALLY adds a significant amount of security against the attacks >> described on your website. This is not currently the

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-06 Thread Mark Kubacki
2015-03-06 1:56 GMT+01:00 Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina : > > tl;dr webrsync-gpg is a built in feature of the package manager which > OPTIONALLY adds a significant amount of security against the attacks > described on your website. This is not currently the default setting, > however, it is described i

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-05 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
On 03/05/15 14:14, Patrick Schleizer wrote: >> I used the footnote numbers to reference the attacks. > > I am afraid, this might cause some confusion. The numbers you have used > won't stay stable. Those were autogenerated numbers of footnotes. As > footnotes change, these numbers change. To keep

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-05 Thread Patrick Schleizer
> I used the footnote numbers to reference the attacks. I am afraid, this might cause some confusion. The numbers you have used won't stay stable. Those were autogenerated numbers of footnotes. As footnotes change, these numbers change. To keep your post understandable, I created a snapshot before

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-05 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
On 03/05/15 09:49, Patrick Schleizer wrote: > Hi, > > I am currently working on a comparison of package managers in which > Portage is part of. > > https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Comparison_Of_Package_Managers > > Would you be interested to check if the current assessments are correct > and/or to f

[gentoo-portage-dev] Security and Comparison of Portage with other Package Managers

2015-03-05 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Hi, I am currently working on a comparison of package managers in which Portage is part of. https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Comparison_Of_Package_Managers Would you be interested to check if the current assessments are correct and/or to fill the remaining gaps? Where the comparison table is hosted