Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

2008-12-31 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: > > after the emerge you read the messages with elogv and downgrade. No harm > > done. > > I'll be sure to try that, thank you. However, would not avoiding a bad > upgrade in the first place be a better

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

2008-12-31 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: > after the emerge you read the messages with elogv and downgrade. No harm done. I'll be sure to try that, thank you. However, would not avoiding a bad upgrade in the first place be a better-behaved tool? Especially when the package in question "knew" that i

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

2008-12-31 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: > > it was. Also: > > elog > > and > > elogv > > > > the tools are there. It is your fault of not using them. > > Great, please demonstrate how I was to know about this breakage before it > happened, an

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

2008-12-31 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 01/01/09 Graham Murray said: > I think that the default action should be that such 'breakages' should > be checked during the dependency building phase, a message displayed and > the emerge stop[0]. Then you could either mask the offending package or > issue a special flag[1] to emerge to ackno

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

2008-12-31 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: > it was. Also: > elog > and > elogv > > the tools are there. It is your fault of not using them. Great, please demonstrate how I was to know about this breakage before it happened, and I'll change how I use the tools. Cheers, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

2008-12-31 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > Not impressed. Hopefully this critical message would be summarized at the > end of the build too. Kind of important. I got lucky and happened to see > it... it was. Also: elog and elogv the tools are there. It is your fault of not using

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

2008-12-31 Thread Graham Murray
"Michael P. Soulier" writes: > Sure enough, X no longer works. I'm following the instructions now, but... > Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of > breaking my system? I think that the default action should be that such 'breakages' should be checked during th

Re: [gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps

2008-12-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:51, Michael P. Soulier wrote: Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with the latest version of a software package I am left to question the entire philosophy in gentoo of always running bleeding edge. Not touching a system that's working is bec

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

2008-12-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:33, Michael P. Soulier wrote: ... Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of breaking my system? "That proposal is ludicrous and completely counter to the Unix way of doing things." Not my opinion, just quoting. Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] KVM recognition changes in recent kernels

2008-12-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 Dec 2008, at 06:44, Harry Putnam wrote: ... I've noticed a change in recent mnths where until bootup is complete the kvm switch is not recogized. I see that thru several kernel upgrades and various kernel builds. Please confirm that you are able to enter the BIOS using the KVM & the u

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread Philip Webb
081231 darren kirby wrote: > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale wrote: >> I recently "stole" a Motorola Razr phone which didn't come with manual. >> I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was attempting to read, >> when Kpdf crashed. It does this when I scroll down to about page 30 . >>

[gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps

2008-12-31 Thread Michael P. Soulier
Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with the latest version of a software package I am left to question the entire philosophy in gentoo of always running bleeding edge. Not touching a system that's working is becoming far more tempting, and I'm curious as to what others h

[gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

2008-12-31 Thread Michael P. Soulier
So, like a good gentoo user I'm emerging some updates available for my system. To my surprise when I happen to look at the screen (as it's taking some time to build and I'm obviously not watching the entire time), I see this: * * WARNING * * * You are currently installing a version o

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread Dale
darren kirby wrote: > quoth the Dale: > >> >> >> It is pretty big so I'll post a link. >> >> http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.a >> spx >> >> Just click on the link to download the manual. I think it is about 4 or >> 5Mbs or so. I'm on dialup so it takes

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread Matt Causey
Well...I've seen more than one dodgy PDF document crash readers before. Seems that there must be features or fonts (as mentioned earlier...) which can crash readers that were not written by Adobe... On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, darren kirby wrote: > quoth the Dale: >> Matt Causey wrote: >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread darren kirby
quoth the Dale: > Matt Causey wrote: > > You wanna post the PDF? I'd be curious to see if it crashes kpdf on > > my system... > > > > > > -- > > Matt > > > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I recently "stole" me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with the > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread Dale
James wrote: > Dale gmail.com> writes: > > > >> I did use something else to finish reading my manual but I prefer to use >> Kpdf since I am accustomed to it already. I just want to try and get it >> fixed for next time plus, it may be a bug that needs some Raid sprayed >> on it. >> > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread Dale
Matt Causey wrote: > You wanna post the PDF? I'd be curious to see if it crashes kpdf on > my system... > > > -- > Matt > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I recently "stole" me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with the >> manual. I downloaded it off the Mo

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread Matt Causey
You wanna post the PDF? I'd be curious to see if it crashes kpdf on my system... -- Matt On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale wrote: > Hi, > > I recently "stole" me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with the > manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was reading, or > atte

[gentoo-user] Re: Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread James
Dale gmail.com> writes: > I did use something else to finish reading my manual but I prefer to use > Kpdf since I am accustomed to it already. I just want to try and get it > fixed for next time plus, it may be a bug that needs some Raid sprayed > on it. All of the open source *pdf readers ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread Dale
James wrote: > Dale gmail.com> writes: > > > >> attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. >> > > > tried acroread? > > > works great for me. > > ymmv, > > > James > > > I did use something else to finish reading my manual but I prefer to use Kpdf since I am accustomed to it already.

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-31 Thread James
Nikos Chantziaras arcor.de> writes: > > Then something is wrong with your box or it isn't powerful enough. > It isn't. > > Works perfectly in mine. > Same here (at home.) Nikos, I had a problem with a dual (amd) machine once. I dropped MAKEOPTS="-j3" to "-j1" for a while and the workst

[gentoo-user] Re: Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread James
Dale gmail.com> writes: > attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. tried acroread? works great for me. ymmv, James

[gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

2008-12-31 Thread Dale
Hi, I recently "stole" me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. It does this when I scroll down to about page 30 or so. It's a pretty large document since it has both Engli

Re: [gentoo-user] KVM recognition changes in recent kernels

2008-12-31 Thread Neil Walker
Harry Putnam wrote: I have to have a second keyboard connected direct if I want to mess around with grub or something... while testing kernels. The kernel isn't even loaded at that point so how can you blame it? It looks like a hardware/BIOS problem to me from what you have said. FWIW, I am c

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus

2008-12-31 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > This is a question that is off topic of course, but I'm not sure *where* it > would be on-topic. Considering that Gentoo users are also often so-called > "enthusiasts", I'll drop the question here ;) > > In KDE (3), when enabling the "fa

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus

2008-12-31 Thread Matt Harrison
Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Wednesday 31 December 2008, 15:56, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It's coming from the case, not the speakers. BTW, this happens in both gentoo and windows xp for me. Same here. The sound is loudest when running the "Mother Nature" test of 3DMark 03. Happening with every

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus

2008-12-31 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, 15:56, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > It's coming from the case, not the speakers. > > > BTW, this happens in both gentoo and windows xp for me. > > Same here. The sound is loudest when running the "Mother Nature" test > of 3DMark 03. Happening with every card I ever t

[gentoo-user] KVM recognition changes in recent kernels

2008-12-31 Thread Harry Putnam
kernel 2.6.27-r7 and 2.6.28 and several other earlier kenels Summary: Anyone here know more details about the kernel settings and KVM switching? Details: (and inlined dmesg) I'm not exactly sure when or what kernel was in use when this change in behavior started but its been at least 2 mnths ago

Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-31 Thread Robert Bridge
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:42:54 +0100 damian wrote: > >> LiveCD). If they manage to switch off the power to your USB-ports, > >> that can give us a hint. > > That I can try, I still keep the Ubuntu (shame on me! :P) which I > > used to install Gentoo. > Nope. I've booted with Ubuntu (damn it boots s

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus

2008-12-31 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Matt Harrison wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This is a question that is off topic of course, but I'm not sure *where* it would be on-topic. Considering that Gentoo users are also often so-called "enthusiasts", I'll drop the question here ;) In KDE (3), when enabling the "fade" effect for me

Re: [gentoo-user] Open Source Family Tree software?

2008-12-31 Thread David Relson
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:05:48 -0800 Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Daniel Pielmeier > wrote: > > Mark Knecht schrieb am 30.11.2008 00:29: > > > >> It seems that > >> gramps is doing something sort of like this but one wonders just > >> how large their database is. Also, I'd

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus

2008-12-31 Thread Matt Harrison
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This is a question that is off topic of course, but I'm not sure *where* it would be on-topic. Considering that Gentoo users are also often so-called "enthusiasts", I'll drop the question here ;) In KDE (3), when enabling the "fade" effect for menus, clicking on a me

[gentoo-user] [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus

2008-12-31 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
This is a question that is off topic of course, but I'm not sure *where* it would be on-topic. Considering that Gentoo users are also often so-called "enthusiasts", I'll drop the question here ;) In KDE (3), when enabling the "fade" effect for menus, clicking on a menu results in a faint, hig

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge svgalib (1.9.25) fails with gentoo-sources-2.6.28

2008-12-31 Thread Thanasis
OK, this seems to be an already filed bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=252614

Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-31 Thread damian
>> LiveCD). If they manage to switch off the power to your USB-ports, that >> can give us a hint. > That I can try, I still keep the Ubuntu (shame on me! :P) which I used > to install Gentoo. Nope. I've booted with Ubuntu (damn it boots slow! :P) and after suspending the usb port was still yielding

Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-31 Thread damian
Hi Daniel, Thanks for your response. I'll try to make some time to test your tips. > You can also try booting a Fedora/Ubuntu/SuSE LiveCD, and see if with > their kernel the same happens (given that suspend works on their > LiveCD). If they manage to switch off the power to your USB-ports, that >

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] test, if module was loaded with module option?

2008-12-31 Thread Julien Porschen
2008/12/31 Christian Franke : > On 12/29/2008 02:32 PM, Marc Blumentritt wrote: >> is there a general way to test, if a kernel module was loaded with a >> module option and which module options were used? > > There is at least /sys/module//parameters/ > If there is nothing else, one could at least

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] test, if module was loaded with module option?

2008-12-31 Thread Christian Franke
On 12/29/2008 02:32 PM, Marc Blumentritt wrote: > is there a general way to test, if a kernel module was loaded with a > module option and which module options were used? There is at least /sys/module//parameters/ If there is nothing else, one could at least compare each parameter to its default v