Re: [gentoo-user] Re: initramfs & RAID at boot time

2010-04-17 Thread Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:36:39 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> Empirically any way there doesn't seem to be a problem. I built the >> new kernel and it booted normally so I think I'm misinterpreting what >> was written in the Wiki or the Wiki is

Re: [gentoo-user] Are runlevels 3 4 5 the same?

2010-04-17 Thread Dale
Adam wrote: On 04/18/10 15:21, Dale wrote: Adam wrote: I want to choose console or X from grub, so i'm thinking i'll do something like 'rc-update delete xdm 4' and then pass softlevel=4 to my grub boot line, to make runlevel 4 a console runlevel. Is that the right way to do it?

Re: [gentoo-user] Are runlevels 3 4 5 the same?

2010-04-17 Thread Adam
On 04/18/10 15:21, Dale wrote: > Adam wrote: >> I want to choose console or X from grub, so i'm thinking i'll do >> something like 'rc-update delete xdm 4' and then pass softlevel=4 to my >> grub boot line, to make runlevel 4 a console runlevel. Is that the right >> way to do it? >> >> > > Gen

Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 4/18/2010 12:29 AM, Jonathan wrote: On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:46:25 +0100 David W Noon wrote: If any Joe Schmoe could imbue a program with capabilities, this might be true. But that's not the way the system works. Sorry, I think i'm missing your point. Only root can run the setcap program

Re: [gentoo-user] Are runlevels 3 4 5 the same?

2010-04-17 Thread Dale
Adam wrote: I want to choose console or X from grub, so i'm thinking i'll do something like 'rc-update delete xdm 4' and then pass softlevel=4 to my grub boot line, to make runlevel 4 a console runlevel. Is that the right way to do it? Gentoo doesn't use those runlevels. You need to read

[gentoo-user] Are runlevels 3 4 5 the same?

2010-04-17 Thread Adam
I want to choose console or X from grub, so i'm thinking i'll do something like 'rc-update delete xdm 4' and then pass softlevel=4 to my grub boot line, to make runlevel 4 a console runlevel. Is that the right way to do it?

[gentoo-user] Questions for my first ebuild

2010-04-17 Thread Walter Dnes
I intend to get the Silicon Dust HDHomerun dual tuner box. It has a linux library and CLI plus a separate gtk+ GUI. The linux source comes with a makefile that puts stuff in /usr/local. But I want at least a "wrapper" ebuild so that Portage knows about the files, and can manage them. I'd pref

Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread Jonathan
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:46:25 +0100 David W Noon wrote: > If any Joe Schmoe could imbue a program with capabilities, this might > be true. But that's not the way the system works. Sorry, I think i'm missing your point. > Only root can run the setcap program to add capabilities to a program, > a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread Jonathan
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:05:23 -0700 walt wrote: > Have a leisurely browse through /usr/include/unistd.h to answer your question. That file has answer to my question. Thank you.

[gentoo-user] Re: How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread walt
On 04/17/2010 06:02 PM, Jonathan wrote: What does the E in EUID stand for? I did a quick Google and found RUID and EUID but I did not find anything else. Did you really type what you meant? Doesn't make much sense as is, so I assume there is a typo in there somewhere. Have a leisurely browse

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread Jonathan
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:29:37 +1000 Lie Ryan wrote: > sudoedit is mainly just a shortcut for "sudo $EDITOR" (plus doing a few > things). sudoedit is safer then sudo because sudoedit runs as root but nano (The editor) runs as your user. sudoedit uses a fixed path which is compiled into the progra

Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread David W Noon
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:40:01 +0200, Jonathan wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?: >On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:45:57 +0100 >David W Noon wrote: > >> In fact, POSIX capabilities are a mechanism to *reduce* a program's >> permissions, not incr

Re: [gentoo-user] Recompiling tthe kernel seems way too fast?

2010-04-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-17 6:31 PM, Alexander Tanyukevich wrote: > If you want to compile whole kernel with new compiler you should run > "make clean" first. Crap, I remember that now... thanks for taking it easy with the cluestick... ;) -- Charles

[gentoo-user] Re: How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread Lie Ryan
On 04/17/10 08:13, Jonathan wrote: > I'm trying to work out how many ways there are to increase the permissions of > a user. > > 1: su -: Needs root password and you need to be in the group "wheel". > 2: sudo: You need to be in the group "wheel" or in the /etc/sudoers file, > using your own use

Re: [gentoo-user] Recompiling tthe kernel seems way too fast?

2010-04-17 Thread Alexander Tanyukevich
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Ok, maybe I'm missing something... > > The first time I compile a kernel, it takes at least 4 or 5 minutes, if > not longer (never really timed it)... > > But, I just switched my compiler from 4.1.2 to 4.3.4, and wanted to > recompile the kern

Re: [gentoo-user] Recompile system but omit package?

2010-04-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-17 6:06 PM, Vincent Launchbury wrote: > On 04/17/10 17:09, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2010-04-17 4:59 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> emerge system -gcc (where '-gcc' serves to tell portage to compile >>> everything *but* gcc)? >> Of course I meant: >> >> emerge -e system -gcc > You could try tem

[gentoo-user] Recompiling tthe kernel seems way too fast?

2010-04-17 Thread Tanstaafl
Ok, maybe I'm missing something... The first time I compile a kernel, it takes at least 4 or 5 minutes, if not longer (never really timed it)... But, I just switched my compiler from 4.1.2 to 4.3.4, and wanted to recompile the kernel, so, I change to the /usr/src/kernel dir and ran make again, bu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread David W Noon
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:10:01 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping: >On Saturday 17 April 2010 20:12:42 Mick wrote: [snip] >> Are they meant to make entries in cron.daily when installed? > >Not at all. > >They are meant to install crontabs in cron.monthly

Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread Jonathan
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:59:07 +0200 KH wrote: > Sounds a little like putting someone in prison and than telling him > walking through the prison yard is increasing his freedom. As Linux is a prison for programs then I guess your right.

Re: [gentoo-user] Recompile system but omit package?

2010-04-17 Thread Vincent Launchbury
On 04/17/10 17:09, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2010-04-17 4:59 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> emerge system -gcc (where '-gcc' serves to tell portage to compile >> everything *but* gcc)? > > Of course I meant: > > emerge -e system -gcc You could try temporarily masking it: #echo sys-devel/gcc >> /etc/portage

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 April 2010 23:01:19 you wrote: > On Saturday 17 April 2010 21:55:52 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Saturday 17 April 2010 20:12:42 Mick wrote: > > > > Do you have these packages installed: > > > > > > > > > > > > nazgul ~ # equery belongs /etc/cron.monthly/update-pciids > > > > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 April 2010 21:55:52 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 17 April 2010 20:12:42 Mick wrote: > > > Do you have these packages installed: > > > > > > > > > nazgul ~ # equery belongs /etc/cron.monthly/update-pciids > > > > > > * Searching for /etc/cron.monthly/update-pciids ... > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: initramfs & RAID at boot time

2010-04-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:36:39 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Empirically any way there doesn't seem to be a problem. I built the > new kernel and it booted normally so I think I'm misinterpreting what > was written in the Wiki or the Wiki is wrong. As long as /boot is not on RAID, or is on RAID1, you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread Jonathan
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:25:18 -0700 walt wrote: > I've been an amateur linux/*BSD user for about ten years or so, and I would > love to > answer your questions -- but I don't know the answers. Yet. Around 4 years, 3 years with Ubuntu and one with Gentoo. > While you and I wait for a guru to en

Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread KH
Am 17.04.2010 23:32, schrieb Jonathan: On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:45:57 +0100 David W Noon wrote: In fact, POSIX capabilities are a mechanism to *reduce* a program's permissions, not increase them. It's true that Linux "capabilities" are used to replace SUID and that does reduce the programs pe

Re: [gentoo-user] raid autodetection uuid differences

2010-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > I've got a new gentoo box with two drives that i'm using raid1 on. On > boot the md raid autodetection is failing. Here's the error i'm > getting: > > > I've booted with a live CD and checked the arrays they look good, i'm > not sur

[gentoo-user] Re: initramfs & RAID at boot time

2010-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, >   I've never learned to do an initramfs as I've never used hardware > in a Linux box that required it. However now I find myself using mdadm > software-RAID and getting dinged on the linux-raid list when I ask > about things like the ker

Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread Jonathan
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:45:57 +0100 David W Noon wrote: > In fact, POSIX capabilities are a mechanism to *reduce* a program's > permissions, not increase them. It's true that Linux "capabilities" are used to replace SUID and that does reduce the programs permissions. On the other hand programs l

Re: [gentoo-user] Recompile system but omit package?

2010-04-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-17 4:59 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > emerge system -gcc (where '-gcc' serves to tell portage to compile > everything *but* gcc)? Of course I meant: emerge -e system -gcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 17 April 2010 20:12:42 Mick wrote: > > Do you have these packages installed: > > > > > > nazgul ~ # equery belongs /etc/cron.monthly/update-pciids > > > > * Searching for /etc/cron.monthly/update-pciids ... > > > > sys-apps/pciutils-3.1.7 (/etc/cron.monthly/update-pciids) > > nazgul ~

[gentoo-user] Recompile system but omit package?

2010-04-17 Thread Tanstaafl
Is there a way to emerge, say, system, but omit one package in it? For example, I've already recompiled gcc 4.3.4 with itself... is there a way to now do something like: emerge system -gcc (where '-gcc' serves to tell portage to compile everything *but* gcc)? Its not a big deal, I'm just curious

Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread David W Noon
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:30:02 +0200, Mick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?: >On Friday 16 April 2010 23:13:34 Jonathan wrote: [snip] >> 4: Linux "Capabilities" or "caps": Which increases permissions on a >> per-file basis. e.g. removin

Re: [gentoo-user] raid autodetection uuid differences

2010-04-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Samstag 17 April 2010, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > I've got a new gentoo box with two drives that i'm using raid1 on. On > boot the md raid autodetection is failing. Here's the error i'm > getting: > > md: Waiting for all devices to be available before autodetect > md: If you don't use raid,

Re: [gentoo-user] System clean-up - removing unneeded packages *and* dependencies not used by other packages

2010-04-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-04-17 3:42 PM, KH wrote: > Am 17.04.2010 21:30, schrieb Jarry: >> On 17. 4. 2010 21:20, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> Whats the best way to uninstall a package - in this case, openldap, but >>> really for any package - and get all of the dependencies it pulls in, >>> but only ones that are not requi

[gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread walt
On 04/17/2010 11:12 AM, Mick wrote: I have however already installed both pciutils and usbutils. Are they meant to make entries in cron.daily when installed? I just discovered the network-cron useflag, thanks :)

Re: [gentoo-user] System clean-up - removing unneeded packages *and* dependencies not used by other packages

2010-04-17 Thread KH
Am 17.04.2010 21:30, schrieb Jarry: On 17. 4. 2010 21:20, Tanstaafl wrote: Whats the best way to uninstall a package - in this case, openldap, but really for any package - and get all of the dependencies it pulls in, but only ones that are not required for other unrelated (to openldap) packages

Re: [gentoo-user] System clean-up - removing unneeded packages *and* dependencies not used by other packages

2010-04-17 Thread Jarry
On 17. 4. 2010 21:20, Tanstaafl wrote: Whats the best way to uninstall a package - in this case, openldap, but really for any package - and get all of the dependencies it pulls in, but only ones that are not required for other unrelated (to openldap) packages? I'm using this sequence: emerge

[gentoo-user] System clean-up - removing unneeded packages *and* dependencies not used by other packages

2010-04-17 Thread Tanstaafl
Subject says it all... I've had openldap installed on my system since forever but never used it (always meant to, but honestly I really don't need it). Now I'm wanting to uninstall unused stuff before switching gcc versions and recompiling system and world. Whats the best way to uninstall a pack

[gentoo-user] raid autodetection uuid differences

2010-04-17 Thread David Mehler
Hello, I've got a new gentoo box with two drives that i'm using raid1 on. On boot the md raid autodetection is failing. Here's the error i'm getting: md: Waiting for all devices to be available before autodetect md: If you don't use raid, use raid=noautodetect md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. md: Sc

Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Friday 16 April 2010 23:13:34 Jonathan wrote: > I'm trying to work out how many ways there are to increase the permissions > of a user. > > 1: su -: Needs root password and you need to be in the group "wheel". > 2: sudo: You need to be in the group "wheel" or in the /etc/sudoers file, > usin

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 April 2010 16:39:19 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 17 April 2010 17:10:14 Mick wrote: > > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:08:22 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:59:09 Lie Ryan wrote: > > > > On 04/17/10 18:47, Mick wrote: > > > > > On Friday 16 April 2010 22:2

[gentoo-user] initramfs & RAID at boot time

2010-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
Hi, I've never learned to do an initramfs as I've never used hardware in a Linux box that required it. However now I find myself using mdadm software-RAID and getting dinged on the linux-raid list when I ask about things like the kernel autodetecting RAID drives at boot time as the mdadm develop

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 17 April 2010 17:10:14 Mick wrote: > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:08:22 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:59:09 Lie Ryan wrote: > > > On 04/17/10 18:47, Mick wrote: > > > > On Friday 16 April 2010 22:25:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > >> On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:2

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:08:22 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:59:09 Lie Ryan wrote: > > On 04/17/10 18:47, Mick wrote: > > > On Friday 16 April 2010 22:25:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > >> On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:27 Dale wrote: > > > > > > Blimey! That sounds like horri

[gentoo-user] win7x64 in kvm does not have sound

2010-04-17 Thread Xi Shen
hi, i use kvm -soundhw ac97 ... to start my win7 guest, and i see a 'Multimedia Audio Device' in my device manager. but i cannot manage to get a driver for it. according to kvm -soundhw ?, the ac97 sound card is a intel ac97 audio device. but windows cannot find a driver for it, neither can i find

[gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Lie Ryan
On 04/17/10 23:08, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:59:09 Lie Ryan wrote: >> On 04/17/10 18:47, Mick wrote: >>> On Friday 16 April 2010 22:25:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:27 Dale wrote: >>> Blimey! That sounds like horribly_broken! >>> >>> Which cro

Re: [gentoo-user] how to get microphone work in gentoo?

2010-04-17 Thread Xi Shen
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >  Intel HDA here. Mic input on my works fine. > > 1) Make sure mic volume is up and mix is not muted. > > 2) Compile Alsa as modular. Almost always works better and is > recommended modular by Alsa developers over the years. > > The one thing th

Re: [gentoo-user] how to get microphone work in gentoo?

2010-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Xi Shen wrote: > hi, > > i searched for a while and found out microphone does not work in linux > for most people... > > despite of this, i still post here, and hope someone could help me. > > my system is thinkpad t61, intel HD audio, gentoo amd64, i have ALSA > a

Re: [gentoo-user] how to get microphone work in gentoo?

2010-04-17 Thread Thomas Doczkal
On Sa, 2010-04-17 at 20:55 +0800, Xi Shen wrote: > hi, > > i searched for a while and found out microphone does not work in linux > for most people... > > despite of this, i still post here, and hope someone could help me. > > my system is thinkpad t61, intel HD audio, gentoo amd64, i have ALSA

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread David Relson
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:59:09 +1000 Lie Ryan wrote: > On 04/17/10 18:47, Mick wrote: > > On Friday 16 April 2010 22:25:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:27 Dale wrote: > > > > Blimey! That sounds like horribly_broken! > > > > Which cron do you recommend for a desktop? >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:59:09 Lie Ryan wrote: > On 04/17/10 18:47, Mick wrote: > > On Friday 16 April 2010 22:25:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:27 Dale wrote: > > Blimey! That sounds like horribly_broken! > > > > Which cron do you recommend for a desktop? > > One

[gentoo-user] Re: vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Lie Ryan
On 04/17/10 18:47, Mick wrote: > On Friday 16 April 2010 22:25:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:27 Dale wrote: > > Blimey! That sounds like horribly_broken! > > Which cron do you recommend for a desktop? One question, do you actually need cron for desktop? I installed v

[gentoo-user] how to get microphone work in gentoo?

2010-04-17 Thread Xi Shen
hi, i searched for a while and found out microphone does not work in linux for most people... despite of this, i still post here, and hope someone could help me. my system is thinkpad t61, intel HD audio, gentoo amd64, i have ALSA and intel audio driver compiled in my kernel. -- Best Regards,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 April 2010 00:51:39 Harry Putnam wrote: > Mick writes: > > Hi All, > > > > Is there a (native) way to configure sendmail to send messages via a > > secondary smtp account, if dor some reason the primary ISP smtp is > > down, without some bespoke DIY script? > > Not give you the run

Re: [gentoo-user] net-im/emesene-1.5.1: No download source available.

2010-04-17 Thread ubiquitous1980
Yeah checked...at time of install sourceforge was doing maintenance... Thanks :) On 17/04/10 18:32, Daniel Pielmeier wrote: > 2010/4/17 ubiquitous1980 : > >> Hey guys...no downloadable source for emesene from the sunrise overlay... >> Thought I would check first before I write a bug for bugzill

Re: [gentoo-user] net-im/emesene-1.5.1: No download source available.

2010-04-17 Thread ubiquitous1980
Yeah checked...at time of install sourceforge was doing maintenance... Thanks :) On 17/04/10 18:32, Daniel Pielmeier wrote: > 2010/4/17 ubiquitous1980 : > >> Hey guys...no downloadable source for emesene from the sunrise overlay... >> Thought I would check first before I write a bug for bugzill

Re: [gentoo-user] net-im/emesene-1.5.1: No download source available.

2010-04-17 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
2010/4/17 ubiquitous1980 : > Hey guys...no downloadable source for emesene from the sunrise overlay... > Thought I would check first before I write a bug for bugzilla. > > Thanks > > ubiquitous1980 Go to http://sourceforge.net/ and you will find out. -- Daniel Pielmeier

Re: [gentoo-user] vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 17 April 2010 10:47:15 Mick wrote: > On Friday 16 April 2010 22:25:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:27 Dale wrote: > > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > > On Thursday 15 April 2010 02:58:15 Matt Harrison wrote: > > > >> I apologise if this has come twice, it didn't a

Re: [gentoo-user] vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread David W Noon
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:00:02 +0200, Mick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] vixie-cron keeps stopping: >On Friday 16 April 2010 22:25:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] >> ... and as for vixie-cron: When software doesn't act like it's >> supposed to, breaks in horrible ways without giving me any clue >> (l

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up a fall back ISP SMTP in sendmail

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 April 2010 00:51:39 Harry Putnam wrote: > comp.mail.sendmail Thank you Harry, I will. Just thought that there may be a Gentoo user who's already tried this - plus this is my favorite list alright. ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed mess

Re: [gentoo-user] vixie-cron keeps stopping

2010-04-17 Thread Mick
On Friday 16 April 2010 22:25:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:27 Dale wrote: > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > On Thursday 15 April 2010 02:58:15 Matt Harrison wrote: > > >> I apologise if this has come twice, it didn't appear to post correctly > > >> first time, not even on th