On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:36:43AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
> The actual problem is better stated something like this:
>
> In the early stages of user-land setup (around the time when udev is
> getting it's act together), arbitrary code can run and that code can be
> in any arbitrary place, but
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
> Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around
> and test other distros until I find one I like. Thing is, I already
> have a starting point.
I'm already looking. http://forums.funtoo.org/viewtopic.php?id=2265
and they
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:48:11AM -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote:
>
> To answer Alan's question - the main fault lies on the GNOME project and
> the forcing for systemd down user's systems throats.
>
> Additionally, as certina things were added to Linux to "enhance"
> capabilities, the GNOME devel
To answer Alan's question - the main fault lies on the GNOME project and
the forcing for systemd down user's systems throats.
Additionally, as certina things were added to Linux to "enhance"
capabilities, the GNOME developers (apparently) *deliberately* placed
the programs in /usr/bin, inste
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 07:01:56PM -0500, Dale wrote:
>
> Next, we'll have to have C: even tho we never had to have one before.
> ROFLMBO
>
> Dale
We already have it, just we don't have to CAPITALIZE c:
mingdao@workstation ~ $ ls -l .wine/drive_c/
total 8
drwxr-xr-x 6 mingdao mingdao 107 May
On 2013-09-29 02:01, Dale wrote:
> Next, we'll have to have C: even tho we never had to have one before.
> ROFLMBO
I would hesitate to laugh because that's where Linux is heading... And
Alan and other's are right in that it's not udevs problem per se; it's
all the half-desktop services[1]/applic
On 29/09/2013 02:01, Dale wrote:
> pk wrote:
>> On 2013-09-29 01:23, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>
>>> the correct and simple solution would be to deprecate /usr and move
>>> everything into / .
>> Install Windows and be done with it, I say.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Peter K
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Next,
On 29/09/2013 01:23, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> It *really* is that simple. If you have a better solution than my last
>> > two choices, then I am all ears.
>> >
>> >
> the correct and simple solution would be to deprecate /usr and move
> everything into / .
>
>
I did consider that, but gave
pk wrote:
> On 2013-09-29 01:23, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
>> the correct and simple solution would be to deprecate /usr and move
>> everything into / .
> Install Windows and be done with it, I say.
>
> Best regards
>
> Peter K
>
>
>
Next, we'll have to have C: even tho we never had to have o
On 2013-09-29 01:23, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> the correct and simple solution would be to deprecate /usr and move
> everything into / .
Install Windows and be done with it, I say.
Best regards
Peter K
Am 29.09.2013 00:36, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On 28/09/2013 22:58, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>> As far as I read, the problem is with bluetooth keyboards? and some
>> other devices and locales, which are minor for this decision of
>> removing supportability. Especially for servers and for most of
>> work
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:15:41 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> Mandrake used an initrd, not the same as an initramfs, which is
>>> directly supported by the kernel.
>> Whichever. Same shoes, different color is all.
> Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll t
On 28/09/2013 21:50, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:11:06 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
>> To merge two filesystems, you just merge two filesystems. You don't
>>> rebuild anything. You might have some downtime though
>>
>> one reboot. You cp everything into /newuser. On sh
On 28/09/2013 20:18, Dale wrote:
> Yep, it could lead to some changes but the init thingy isn't the only
> change it could lead too. I said that before and I'll say it again, I'm
> not going to start trying to pull my hair out over the init thingy.
> First time it fails, it's been fun. I'll just
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:15:41 -0500, Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > Mandrake used an initrd, not the same as an initramfs, which is
> > directly supported by the kernel.
> Whichever. Same shoes, different color is all.
Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this
On 28/09/2013 22:58, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> As far as I read, the problem is with bluetooth keyboards? and some
> other devices and locales, which are minor for this decision of
> removing supportability. Especially for servers and for most of
> workstations. Most sane configuration can be supported
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:09:38 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> 'evening, Neil.
> > It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction,
> > now it has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer
> > devote the increasing time needed to support what has now become an
> > edge
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Do you have any examples of this actually happening? Not "I heard a bloke
> down the pub talking
about a mate of a mate who broke his system with an initramfs" but
actual documented examples of how this can occur in normal use.
You can start with me. That is what I kept ru
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:31:57 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used
>> Mandrake. It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one
>> reason I left Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either
>> but one
'evening, Neil.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 09:17:02PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
> > > unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically
> > > f
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 28/09/13 01:33, Dale wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Hill wrote:
>>>
>>> mingdao@workstation ~ $ eselect news read
>>> 2013-09-27-initramfs-required
>>>Title Separate /usr on Linux requires initramfs
>>>Author
On 28/09/13 01:33, Dale wrote:
Bruce Hill wrote:
mingdao@workstation ~ $ eselect news read
2013-09-27-initramfs-required
Title Separate /usr on Linux requires initramfs
AuthorWilliam Hubbs
Posted2013-09-27
Revision
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
> > unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically
> > for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't
> > mounted, but e
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:31:57 -0500, Dale wrote:
> One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used
> Mandrake. It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one
> reason I left Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either
> but one reason I chose Gentoo is no
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:11:06 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> To merge two filesystems, you just merge two filesystems. You don't
> > rebuild anything. You might have some downtime though
>
> one reboot. You cp everything into /newuser. On shutdown you unmount
> /usr, mv newuser usr, sync,
Hi, William.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:01:59AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 07:32:20PM -0500, Bruce Hill wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:57:06PM -0500, Dale wrote:
> > > Bruce Hill wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Dale wrote:
> > > >> I'm hop
Michael Hampicke wrote:
> Am 28.09.2013 17:06, schrieb Dale:
>> Michael Hampicke wrote:
>>> Am 28.09.2013 13:32, schrieb Tanstaafl:
On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> No really,*why exactly*?
Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I
first
>>>
Am 28.09.2013 16:04, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On 28/09/2013 13:32, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> No really,*why exactly*?
>> Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
>> set this system up many years ago.
> This was something alm
Am 28.09.2013 17:06, schrieb Dale:
> Michael Hampicke wrote:
>> Am 28.09.2013 13:32, schrieb Tanstaafl:
>>> On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
No really,*why exactly*?
>>>
>>> Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
>>> set this system up many years a
William Hubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 07:32:20PM -0500, Bruce Hill wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:57:06PM -0500, Dale wrote:
>>> Bruce Hill wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Dale wrote:
> I'm hoping that since I use eudev, I don't have to worry about this.
>>>
On Saturday 28 Sep 2013 16:06:39 Dale wrote:
> Michael Hampicke wrote:
> > Am 28.09.2013 13:32, schrieb Tanstaafl:
> >> On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >>> No really,*why exactly*?
> >>
> >> Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
> >> set this syste
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 07:32:20PM -0500, Bruce Hill wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:57:06PM -0500, Dale wrote:
> > Bruce Hill wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Dale wrote:
> > >> I'm hoping that since I use eudev, I don't have to worry about this.
> > >> If I do, this coul
Michael Hampicke wrote:
> Am 28.09.2013 13:32, schrieb Tanstaafl:
>> On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> No really,*why exactly*?
>>
>> Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
>> set this system up many years ago.
>>
>
> Where did you read that? Accordi
On 28/09/2013 13:32, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> No really,*why exactly*?
>
> Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
> set this system up many years ago.
This was something almost all of us recommended way back then. Lord on
Am 28.09.2013 13:32, schrieb Tanstaafl:
> On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> No really,*why exactly*?
>
> Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
> set this system up many years ago.
>
Where did you read that? According to the 2004 handbook the defau
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 01:49:27PM +0100, David W Noon wrote:
>
> I'm taking option 4: keep things the same until something breaks and
> then (and only then) do whatever is necessary to fix it.
>
> [Note that I have already done option 3 -- even going back to the days
> of initrd, which was requi
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:30:45 -0500, Bruce Hill wrote about "Re:
[gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01":
[snip]
>Now, what are you going to do? That's the question.
>
>1 - keep ranting about "them" and what "they are doing to me"?
>2 - move your /usr under / ?
>3 - learn
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 03:42:01AM -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>
> As someone else posted, some folks have different mount options for /usr
> that they do for others partitions. For me, I just want to keep it
> seperate so that I can adjust things with LVM if I need to. Something I
> have done a coupl
On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
No really,*why exactly*?
Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
set this system up many years ago.
I have no philosophical reason reason to stick with it, only a (maybe
irrational) fear of breaking things if I at
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 28/09/2013 00:57, Dale wrote:
>> Bruce Hill wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Dale wrote:
I'm hoping that since I use eudev, I don't have to worry about this.
If I do, this could get interesting, again. Dale
>>> Do you have /usr separate from
On Saturday 28 Sep 2013 01:39:57 David W Noon wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:10:14 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
>
> [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01:
> > On 28/09/2013 00:57, Dale wrote:
> > > Bruce Hill wrote:
> > >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:33:02PM -05
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