Re: [gentoo-user] What is the best way forward? - Update 2 - SUCCESS! - CURRENT!!!

2021-03-10 Thread Grant Taylor
On 3/8/21 5:59 PM, antlists wrote: As I remember, you always had to use eselect to switch versions ... and witness all the chaos with python at the moment ... I don't know. If you leave things "at the default", doesn't that screw you over when python/kernel/gcc etc upgrade and a depclean

[gentoo-user] mu scripts on Gentoo

2021-03-10 Thread David Martí Huescar
First of all, hi there, just joined the list =) I'm a bit confused about the net-mail/mu package. On the mu-script manpage it says that mu ships with several scripts. I emerged it with the guile flag, but mu barks at me that there is no /usr/share/mu/scripts file. If I look with "equery f mu", I

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Grant Taylor
On 3/10/21 10:43 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: OK, agreed, completely. localhost must be turned into an IP address. :-) I guess what I was thinking was DNS means Server. If it's a Service then that's different. I think we're in agreement that if it can find the name in /etc/hosts, either actively

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 9:44 AM Grant Taylor < gtay...@gentoo.tnetconsulting.net> wrote: > > On 3/10/21 6:27 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Caveat - not an expert, just my meager understanding: > > > > 1) The name 'localhost' is historically for developers who want to > > access their own machine

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Grant Taylor
On 3/10/21 9:38 AM, Michael wrote: I always thought the localhost class A addresses were from days of old 'inter- network' era. The difference with 127.0.0.1 and a private LAN address is the 127.0.0.1 does not reach the data link layer, but loops-back at IP layer 3 and responds to any

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Grant Taylor
On 3/10/21 9:00 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: My undocumented (and unsupported by data) opinion is that this localhost thing has been around a long, long time - possibly longer than Linux for all I know. Check out Yes, very much so. TL;DR: The "localhost" name is a shortcut to say this host that

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Grant Taylor
On 3/10/21 8:25 AM, Michael wrote: I think this is relevant to DNS resolution of/with domain controllers and may depend on the AD/DC topology. I disagree. Pure Linux in a MIT / Heimdal Kerberos environment has the same requirements. Hence having nothing specific to do with Active

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Grant Taylor
On 3/10/21 6:27 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: Caveat - not an expert, just my meager understanding: 1) The name 'localhost' is historically for developers who want to access their own machine _without_ using DNS. Eh Using the /name/ "localhost" still uses name resolution. It could use DNS or

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Michael
On Wednesday, 10 March 2021 16:00:19 GMT Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > mark@science:~$ cat /etc/hosts > > 127.0.0.1 localhost > > 127.0.1.1 science > > > I think this is relevant to DNS resolution of/with domain controllers and > may > depend on the AD/DC topology. The idea is to

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Mark Knecht
> mark@science:~$ cat /etc/hosts > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 127.0.1.1 science > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-server-2008-R2-and-2008/ff807362(v=ws.10)?redirectedfrom=MSDN I haven't over-thought this and there may be more to it, but on a

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Michael
On Wednesday, 10 March 2021 13:27:24 GMT Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 10:10 PM Grant Taylor < > > gtay...@gentoo.tnetconsulting.net> wrote: > > On 2/21/21 3:23 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: > > > Will someone please explain why the Gentoo AMD64 Handbook ~> Gentoo (at > > > large) says to

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?

2021-03-10 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 10:10 PM Grant Taylor < gtay...@gentoo.tnetconsulting.net> wrote: > > On 2/21/21 3:23 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: > > Will someone please explain why the Gentoo AMD64 Handbook ~> Gentoo (at > > large) says to add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 (or ::1) entry > > in the