Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-18 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Thankfully, I've never had to > maintain systems whose disks were small and low performing enough that > it actually mattered to separate / from /usr. So you don't understand it much at all. Actually many of lennarts pages such as his security.html are full of wildly incorrect claims and innaccu

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-18 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:34:07 + schrieb Kevin Chadwick : [...] > Going back in time > his claim of pulse audio being good for professional audio was also > completely off the mark. Seperating Gnome and pulse can now cause pro > audio users on binary distro's major headaches too. I pointed one >

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-19 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2012, 23:02:41 schrieb Marc Joliet: > Am Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:34:07 + > schrieb Kevin Chadwick : > > [...] > > > Going back in time > > his claim of pulse audio being good for professional audio was also > > completely off the mark. Seperating Gnome and pulse can now

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-19 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 07:48:45PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > > remember this? a solution without a problem to solve, making a lot > of people's lifes harder, dropped onto them by the godlike Lennart P.? > http://lalists.stanford.edu/lad/2009/06/0218.html The thread was started by Lenn

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> It was in fact a weirdo corner case > since day 1. Right, a weirdo corner case that is part of best practice and the default suggestion on debian stable used on many many servers and for good reason. -- ___ 'Write programs th

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Again you don't break the spec unless you have to and you don't change the spec unless it is an improvement or you have no choice. Non of which is the case. Just like you do not mould a mail RFC to a widely used technically inferior hotmail implementation. > He's like DJB on crack. Except DJB ma

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > Again you don't break the spec unless you have to and you don't change > the spec unless it is an improvement or you have no choice. Non of > which is the case. Just like you do not mould a mail RFC to a > widely used technically inferior

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Kevin Chadwick > wrote: > > > > Again you don't break the spec unless you have to and you don't change > > the spec unless it is an improvement or you have no choice. Non of > > which is the case. Just l

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >> or the fact that some udev programs tend to >> be located in /usr, > > > That's either a bug with those programs, or a need for architectural > improvements within udev. Both plausible answers. > The most obvious architectural improvement bei

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >>> or the fact that some udev programs tend to >>> be located in /usr, >> >> >> That's either a bug with those programs, or a need for architectural >> improvements within udev. Both p

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol wrote: or the fact that some udev programs tend to be located in /usr, >>> >>> >>> That's either a bug with those programs, or

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > or the fact that some udev programs tend to > be located

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Should perl be in / or /usr? > > Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_ > being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons. > > Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in Perl? Or in > anything other than sh? If they're intended for emerg

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> > Should perl be in / or /usr? >> >> Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_ >> being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons. >> > > >> Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in Perl? O

Re: [Bulk] RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2013-01-04 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 18:22:37 -0500 "Mike Edenfield" wrote: > I have never personally run into any case > where I had a single /+/usr and regretted it, but I *have* encountered > situations where I could not get /usr mounted and ended up merging it > with /. FWIW, YMMV, etc. And why was that, not