Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-17 Thread Michael Mol
Something _really_ weird happened to your quoting; you quoted my email, but your email client said you wrote it. On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:00 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: ^-- weird --^ On Sunday, December

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
Something _really_ weird happened to your quoting; you quoted my email, but your email client said you wrote it. On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:00 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: ^-- weird --^ Very weird,

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-16 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 20:57:24 schrieb J. Roeleveld: On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:46:36 AM Grant wrote: You have to buy NUMA hardware. If the hardware you buys does not scream NUMA at you, you don't have it. It is really that simple. Multicore, multisocket

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-16 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Sunday, December 16, 2012 01:52:46 PM Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 20:57:24 schrieb J. Roeleveld: Even on a system with only 2 sockets, it can be useful to have NUMA available. or not, because it costs you performance. When does it cost performance? In all

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sunday, December 16, 2012 01:52:46 PM Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 20:57:24 schrieb J. Roeleveld: Even on a system with only 2 sockets, it can be useful to have NUMA available. or not,

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-16 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sunday, December 16, 2012 01:52:46 PM Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 20:57:24 schrieb J. Roeleveld: Even on a system with only 2 sockets, it can be useful to have NUMA available. or

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-15 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 15.12.2012 01:40, schrieb Mick: On Thursday 13 Dec 2012 14:13:56 Bruce Hill wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 08:44:45AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: NUMA is also an option in the kernel. Should also be fully transparent. I got one machine with NUMA and only had to set an option for it. Does

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-15 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 15.12.2012 04:16, schrieb Grant: So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a hardware architecture. It's how you

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-15 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Freitag, 14. Dezember 2012, 08:55:08 schrieb Rafa Griman: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2012, 22:12:18 schrieb Grant: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-15 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Freitag, 14. Dezember 2012, 01:44:26 schrieb Grant: So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a hardware architecture.

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-15 Thread Grant
You have to buy NUMA hardware. If the hardware you buys does not scream NUMA at you, you don't have it. It is really that simple. Multicore, multisocket systems MIGHT be NUMA systems - but that is not a guarantee. Now can this stupid thread please die away? I guess the question seems stupid

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-15 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:46:36 AM Grant wrote: You have to buy NUMA hardware. If the hardware you buys does not scream NUMA at you, you don't have it. It is really that simple. Multicore, multisocket systems MIGHT be NUMA systems - but that is not a guarantee. Now can this

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does that add to set up and/or maintenance with Gentoo? none also,

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Rafa Griman
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a hardware architecture.

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a hardware architecture. It's how you access memory on a hardware level: NUMA = Non Uniform

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Rafa Griman
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a hardware architecture.

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a hardware architecture. It's how you access memory on a hardware level: NUMA = Non

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Mick
On Thursday 13 Dec 2012 14:13:56 Bruce Hill wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 08:44:45AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: NUMA is also an option in the kernel. Should also be fully transparent. I got one machine with NUMA and only had to set an option for it. Does anyone know how to check it's

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a hardware architecture. It's how you access memory on a hardware level:

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-13 Thread Luis Gustavo Vilela de Oliveira
I believe NUMA is only used on multiprocessor machine and not on only multicore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Uniform_Memory_Access 2012/12/13 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.12.2012 07:23, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-13 Thread Rafa Griman
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Luis Gustavo Vilela de Oliveira luisgustavo.vil...@gmail.com wrote: I believe NUMA is only used on multiprocessor machine and not on only multicore. NUMA's about memory access so it's about cores/CPUs/processors/whatever_you_want_to_call_it and how they access

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-13 Thread Bruce Hill
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 08:44:45AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: NUMA is also an option in the kernel. Should also be fully transparent. I got one machine with NUMA and only had to set an option for it. Does anyone know how to check it's working properly? dmesg | grep NUMA -- Happy Penguin

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-13 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 13.12.2012 07:12, schrieb Grant: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does that add to set up and/or maintenance

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2012, 22:12:18 schrieb Grant: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does that add to set up

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-13 Thread Grant
I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does that add to set up and/or maintenance with Gentoo? No complication.

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-13 Thread Rafa Griman
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2012, 22:12:18 schrieb Grant: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably

[gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread Grant
I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does that add to set up and/or maintenance with Gentoo? - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:18 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does that

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.12.2012 07:23, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:18 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread J. Roeleveld
Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 13.12.2012 07:23, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:18 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like