Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Stroller
On 15/12/2010, at 4:59pm, Andrea Conti wrote: >>> The SATA spec allows for hot plugging, so technically yes ... >> My recollection of my understanding (multiple disclaimers) was that SATA >> *allowed* for SATA hot-plugging but didn't *mandate* it. > > ... > We have quite a number of software RAI

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread James Wall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/10 12:28, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Dale [10-12-14 18:56]: >> meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: >>> Hi Dale, >>> >>> as I know, the hd hardware can't nearly as fast as the bus speed >>> regardless whether it is 6GB/s or 3GB/s. >>> Quickly doing t

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2010 12:24:58 Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2010 05:54:40 Dale wrote: According to the mobo manual, if I enable AHCI, it

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 12:24:58 Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann > > > > wrote: > >> On Wednesday 15 December 2010 05:54:40 Dale wrote: > >>> According to the mobo manual, if I enable AHCI, it is hot swappable. > >> > >> and enabl

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann >>  wrote: >> >>> >>> On Wednesday 15 December 2010 05:54:40 Dale wrote: >>> >>> According to the mobo manual, if I enable AHCI, it is hot swappable. >>> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2010 05:54:40 Dale wrote: According to the mobo manual, if I enable AHCI, it is hot swappable. and enabling AHCI is the only sane option. So do it. I just ain't

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Wednesday 15 December 2010 05:54:40 Dale wrote: > >> >> According to the mobo manual, if I enable AHCI, it is hot swappable. > > and enabling AHCI is the only sane option. So do it. > >> I >> just ain't to comfy doing it.  I'd like

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 05:54:40 Dale wrote: > > According to the mobo manual, if I enable AHCI, it is hot swappable. and enabling AHCI is the only sane option. So do it. > I > just ain't to comfy doing it. I'd like to see it done with no smoke > getting out first. no smoke. Worst case:

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Andrea Conti
The SATA spec allows for hot plugging, so technically yes ... My recollection of my understanding (multiple disclaimers) was that SATA *allowed* for SATA hot-plugging but didn't *mandate* it. a good summary of the hardware/driver situation wrt hotplugging can be found here: https://ata.wiki

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Andrea Conti
E-SATA != SATA Nah. They are *exactly* the same. Evidently someone realized that the original SATA connector is way too fragile to be regularly used to plug/unplug a cable by hand, so they engineered in some features which make it a bit more resilient. But apart from the shape of the co

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Dale
Stroller wrote: On 14/12/2010, at 4:57pm, Mark Knecht wrote: The SATA spec allows for hot plugging, so technically yes ... My recollection of my understanding (multiple disclaimers) was that SATA *allowed* for SATA hot-plugging but didn't *mandate* it. If I could have found a SATA m

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: you seem to have misunderstood Mark. The power is delivered by the harddisks case. AKA external power supply. esata has 0 power distribution capabilities. Always remember: first unplug the sata cable, wait, then power. This allows the device to flush the cache.

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Stroller
On 14/12/2010, at 4:57pm, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Dale wrote: >> ...I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA. Question one, can >> the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives? >> ... > > The SATA spec allows for hot plugging, so technically yes ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Tuesday 14 December 2010 11:49:00 Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Dale wrote: > >> Mark Knecht wrote: > >>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Dalewrote: > Hi, > > I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA. Question > one

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread meino . cramer
Jarry [10-12-14 19:44]: > On 14. 12. 2010 19:28, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > >You know AGP (_Advanced_ graphics port), Dale? > >You know, why _this_ is "advanced"? > > Because it is "Accelerated Graphics Port"... > > Jarry > > > -- > ___

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Jarry
On 14. 12. 2010 19:28, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: You know AGP (_Advanced_ graphics port), Dale? You know, why _this_ is "advanced"? Because it is "Accelerated Graphics Port"... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from s

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread meino . cramer
Dale [10-12-14 18:56]: > meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > >Hi Dale, > > > >as I know, the hd hardware can't nearly as fast as the bus speed > >regardless whether it is 6GB/s or 3GB/s. > >Quickly doing the same as you on my harddisk gave: > > > >/dev/sda: > > Timing cached reads: 6726 MB in 2.00 se

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Dale
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: In the linux kernel configuration you can set AHCI for Sata... But whether this technically option is addtionally a wise one? I dont know... I better leave hot pluggin to the USB stuff. I don't want to smoke my new rig and have to down grade. :-( Thanks. Da

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Dalewrote: Hi, I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA. Question one, can the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives? I have a plug o

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Dale
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Dale, as I know, the hd hardware can't nearly as fast as the bus speed regardless whether it is 6GB/s or 3GB/s. Quickly doing the same as you on my harddisk gave: /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 6726 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3364.06 MB/sec Timing buffered disk re

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Dale wrote: > > Well, according to the mobo book, AHCI "enables advanced SATA features". >  Me, I read that and I think that it may mean faster.  It also says it is > set to native by default for OS's that can handle only native mode > controllers.  I just don't w

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Dale  wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA.  Question one, can >>> the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives?  I have a plug on the >>> front

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread meino . cramer
Dale [10-12-14 18:28]: > Helmut Jarausch wrote: > >On 12/14/10 17:42:40, Dale wrote: > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA. Question one, > >>can the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives? I have a plug on > >>the front of the case and was wondering s

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Dale
Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 12/14/10 17:42:40, Dale wrote: Hi, I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA. Question one, can the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives? I have a plug on the front of the case and was wondering since it is on the front if they If this is

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Dale wrote: Hi, I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA. Question one, can the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives? I have a plug on the front of the case and was wondering since it is on the front if they can be ho

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread meino . cramer
Dale [10-12-14 17:48]: > Hi, > > I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA. Question one, > can the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives? I have a plug on > the front of the case and was wondering since it is on the front if > they can be hot swapped or if I need to shutdow

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 12/14/10 17:42:40, Dale wrote: > Hi, > > I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA. Question one, > can the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives? I have a plug on > the front of the case and was wondering since it is on the front if > they If this is an eSATA connection

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Dale wrote: > Hi, > > I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA.  Question one, can > the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives?  I have a plug on the front > of the case and was wondering since it is on the front if they can be hot > swapped or if

[gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-14 Thread Dale
Hi, I got one more hard drive to move over and it is SATA. Question one, can the new mobo's do hot plugging for SATA drives? I have a plug on the front of the case and was wondering since it is on the front if they can be hot swapped or if I need to shutdown then hook it up. If I can hot s