Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-13 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 12.03.2013 22:09, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 12.03.2013 12:51, schrieb Yuri K. Shatroff: The starting point has to be someone identifying the problem. When you come e.g. to a car service and say, 'my engine is not working properly e.g. ignition fails or sort of', do you expect the

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 11.03.2013 21:47, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 11.03.2013 14:00, schrieb Yuri K. Shatroff: [ quoting stripped ] sorry for breaking in, but... (to Volker Armin Hemmann) 1. If this driver is superfluous as you say, then why does it ever exist in portage? because it exists? gnome is

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Alexander Schwarz
Am 12.03.2013 08:33, schrieb Yuri K. Shatroff: Again, following your logic, why not just let the user himself ./configure make make install as in old days? What is portage for? Following your logic, if there's even one tool to make life easier everything has to be absolutely easy. So we

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 12.03.2013 12:46, Alexander Schwarz wrote: Am 12.03.2013 08:33, schrieb Yuri K. Shatroff: Again, following your logic, why not just let the user himself ./configure make make install as in old days? What is portage for? Following your logic, if there's even one tool to make life easier

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 12/03/2013 12:01, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: Following your logic, if there's even one tool to make life easier everything has to be absolutely easy. So we should now utilize fancy wizards? Once again, that's following your logic. not has to be easy, but definitely, with such purpose. Do

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Alexander Schwarz
Am 12.03.2013 11:01, schrieb Yuri K. Shatroff: On 12.03.2013 12:46, Alexander Schwarz wrote: Am 12.03.2013 08:33, schrieb Yuri K. Shatroff: Again, following your logic, why not just let the user himself ./configure make make install as in old days? What is portage for? Following your

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:30:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: not has to be easy, but definitely, with such purpose. Do you disagree? Perhaps you reckon that the whole purpose of computing is to make life harder? :) You know, this general topic rears it's head about every six months. The

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 12.03.2013 14:30, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 12/03/2013 12:01, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: Following your logic, if there's even one tool to make life easier everything has to be absolutely easy. So we should now utilize fancy wizards? Once again, that's following your logic. not has to be

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Dale
Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: I only have to repeat that I thought the words said to the OP a little harsh and wanted to defend him because everyone once gets into such a situation for the first time, and experience is what had been needed most when you hadn't it :) so that he wouldn't take it too

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 12.03.2013 14:44, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:30:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: not has to be easy, but definitely, with such purpose. Do you disagree? Perhaps you reckon that the whole purpose of computing is to make life harder? :) You know, this general topic rears it's

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 12/03/2013 13:35, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: I don't see why you are getting so upset. The OP asked a question, he got an answer. He seems OK with it, so why are you getting offended on his behalf? In no way. I don't know if it is my English that sounds to you so differently from what I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 12.03.2013 15:51, Dale wrote: You may want to know, Volker is quite known for being harsh to use your word. Most of us here, just ignore it. Dale :-) :-) :-) On 12.03.2013 15:51, Alan McKinnon wrote: So don't overthink what happens around here. The reality is more like this: user1:

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 12/03/2013 14:13, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: On 12.03.2013 15:51, Dale wrote: You may want to know, Volker is quite known for being harsh to use your word. Most of us here, just ignore it. Dale :-) :-) :-) On 12.03.2013 15:51, Alan McKinnon wrote: So don't overthink what happens

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:51:23 +0400, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: On the other hand, if you file bug report with a patch to the ebuild that checks the running kernel version and outputs an elog message of you might want to try the in-kernel drivers. They may simply say thank you. The

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-12 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 12.03.2013 12:51, schrieb Yuri K. Shatroff: On 12.03.2013 14:44, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:30:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: not has to be easy, but definitely, with such purpose. Do you disagree? Perhaps you reckon that the whole purpose of computing is to make life

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-11 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 11.03.2013 03:05, Daniel Wagener wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:53:42 +0100 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 10.03.2013 19:28, schrieb Daniel Wagener: Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My workstation has an onboard Realtek Ethernet which only works

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 11.03.2013 14:00, schrieb Yuri K. Shatroff: On 11.03.2013 03:05, Daniel Wagener wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:53:42 +0100 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 10.03.2013 19:28, schrieb Daniel Wagener: Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 11.03.2013 00:05, schrieb Daniel Wagener: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:53:42 +0100 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 10.03.2013 19:28, schrieb Daniel Wagener: Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My workstation has an onboard Realtek Ethernet which only

[gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-10 Thread Daniel Wagener
Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My workstation has an onboard Realtek Ethernet which only works with the r8168 driver. Unfortunately, this driver is not in the kernel, but available to be compiled as a kernel module. (I guess because of som patents) That worked for quite some

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-10 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Daniel Wagener st...@gmx.net wrote: Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My workstation has an onboard Realtek Ethernet which only works with the r8168 driver. Unfortunately, this driver is not in the kernel, but available to be compiled as

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-10 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:36:55 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Daniel Wagener st...@gmx.net wrote: Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My workstation has an onboard Realtek Ethernet which only works with the r8168

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-10 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Daniel Wagener st...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:36:55 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Daniel Wagener st...@gmx.net wrote: Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My workstation

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-10 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:49:02 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Daniel Wagener st...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:36:55 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Daniel Wagener

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 10/03/2013 20:28, Daniel Wagener wrote: Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My workstation has an onboard Realtek Ethernet which only works with the r8168 driver. Unfortunately, this driver is not in the kernel, but available to be compiled as a kernel module. (I guess

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 10.03.2013 19:28, schrieb Daniel Wagener: Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My workstation has an onboard Realtek Ethernet which only works with the r8168 driver. Unfortunately, this driver is not in the kernel, but available to be compiled as a kernel module. (I guess

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

2013-03-10 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:53:42 +0100 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 10.03.2013 19:28, schrieb Daniel Wagener: Hello, I ran into some trouble about an hour ago… My workstation has an onboard Realtek Ethernet which only works with the r8168 driver.