[gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

Hi people! My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever after 7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that should serve me well for a long time again. With intel I never had problems, all their systems were REALLY stable, and they were really worth their money up to

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Tamer Higazi wrote: >Hi people! >My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever >after >7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that should serve me >well for a long time again. With intel I never had problems, all th

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

On Saturday 13 April 2013 10:39:08 AM IST, Kvothe Tech wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Tamer Higazi wrote: Hi people! My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever after 7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that should serve me well fo

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On Apr 13, 2013 12:18 PM, "Nilesh Govindrajan" wrote: > > On Saturday 13 April 2013 10:39:08 AM IST, Kvothe Tech wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> Tamer Higazi wrote: >> >>> Hi people! >>> My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever >>> a

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

130413 Tamer Higazi wrote: > I am after 7 years buying myself a new developer machine > well for a long time again. With intel I never had problems, > all their systems were REALLY stable > and they were really worth their money up to the last cent. > There are 3 choices: > Intel Xeon E5-2650 >

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Pandu Poluan wrote: > > > I myself prefer AMD CPUs to Intel ones. > > Intel has this habit of 'segmenting' their processor features. E.g., > Intel VT-x (Intel's buggy implementation of AMD-V) is not available > across the board. If one needs to leverage VT-x for virtualization > purposes, one must

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

Hi Dale! Am 13.04.2013 13:54, schrieb Dale: > Pandu Poluan wrote: >> >> >> I myself prefer AMD CPUs to Intel ones. >> >> Intel has this habit of 'segmenting' their processor features. E.g., >> Intel VT-x (Intel's buggy implementation of AMD-V) is not available >> across the board. What is VT-x ?

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Am 13.04.2013 15:28, schrieb Tamer Higazi: The intel ones after it served me this 7 years well. However, I do not swear using intel, but I want to know if it makes sense or to buy a new intel cpu or it's only advertising in the cloud. I believe AMD is doing meanwhile stable cpu's as well, b

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On Apr 13, 2013 8:29 PM, "Tamer Higazi" wrote: > > Hi Dale! > > > Am 13.04.2013 13:54, schrieb Dale: > > Pandu Poluan wrote: > >> > >> > >> I myself prefer AMD CPUs to Intel ones. > >> > >> Intel has this habit of 'segmenting' their processor features. E.g., > >> Intel VT-x (Intel's buggy implemen

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E3 1230v2 is enough for me. You don't have to spend a lot of money for CPU. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2013 8:29 PM, "Tamer Higazi" wrote: > > > > Hi Dale! > > > > > > Am 13.04.2013 13:54, schrieb Dale: > > > Pandu Poluan wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> I

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

Hi Erick! Thank you very much for your great description that makes my decision easier. However, one last question On a modern AMD machine, would I have to enable "hyperthreading" support in the kernel as well, and should / must I double the cores at the "MAKEOPTS" flag ?! Tamer Am 1

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On Apr 13, 2013 11:57 PM, "Tamer Higazi" wrote: > > Am 13.04.2013 18:24, schrieb Pandu Poluan: > > > > On Apr 13, 2013 8:29 PM, "Tamer Higazi" > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Dale! > >> > >> > >> Am 13.04.2013 13:54, schrieb Dale: > >> > Pandu Poluan wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 07:03:26AM +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote: > Hi people! > My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever after > 7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that should serve me > well for a long time again. With intel I never had problems, all their >

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

On 04/13/2013 01:45 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > [snip] > Three, AMD has no concept of Hyperthreading. Correct. > Just match -j to the number of cores your CPU provides, and that's > it. Well, YMMV. You can spend a lot of time adjusting -j on a per-system basis to account for things like I/O. Rig

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On 04/13/2013 01:50 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 07:03:26AM +0200, Tamer Higazi wrote: >> Hi people! >> My old core2duo machine says slowly goodbye and I am at this lever after >> 7 years for buying myself a new developer machine, that should serve me >> well for a long t

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 02:44:20PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > > I'm currently holding out on my Core2 though, because Haswell is on the > > doorstep, and I first wanna see what the market has to offer. The CPU part > > might not gain much in performance, but the graphics part got a big boost > >

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

On 04/13/2013 05:49 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 02:44:20PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > >>> I'm currently holding out on my Core2 though, because Haswell is on the >>> doorstep, and I first wanna see what the market has to offer. The CPU part >>> might not gain much in p

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Am 13.04.2013 19:45, schrieb Pandu Poluan: > One, I'm not Erick. > Sorry Pandu > Two, please don't top-post. > > Three, AMD has no concept of Hyperthreading. Just match -j to the number > of cores your CPU provides, and that's it. okay. > > As I wrote, an AMD Quad Core provides actual 4

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On Apr 14, 2013 1:42 AM, "Michael Mol" wrote: > > On 04/13/2013 01:45 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > > [snip] > > > Three, AMD has no concept of Hyperthreading. > > Correct. > > > Just match -j to the number of cores your CPU provides, and that's > > it. > > Well, YMMV. You can spend a lot of time ad

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

On 04/14/2013 01:55 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > On Apr 14, 2013 1:42 AM, "Michael Mol" > wrote: >> [snip] > > What I meant was: given 4 physical AMD cores (but only 2 FPUs, courtesy > of AMD's Bulldozer/Piledriver arch) vs 4 virtual Intel cores (2 cores > split into 4

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

On Apr 14, 2013 1:27 PM, "Michael Mol" wrote: > > On 04/14/2013 01:55 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > > > On Apr 14, 2013 1:42 AM, "Michael Mol" > > wrote: > >> > > [snip] > > > > > What I meant was: given 4 physical AMD cores (but only 2 FPUs, courtesy > > of AMD's Bulldoze

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On 04/14/2013 04:32 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > On Apr 14, 2013 1:27 PM, "Michael Mol" > wrote: >> >> On 04/14/2013 01:55 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: >> > >> > On Apr 14, 2013 1:42 AM, "Michael Mol" >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

Great discussion. I'm in a similar situation. I'm using a core2duo for about 5 years, and I think it is time to upgrade it. But, after reading this, there are still to doubts: 1) r the amd processors really fully supported? When I compile my kernel (amd64), for instance, while looking for "Proce

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

Hi João! Seems to be that the bulldozer and FX architecture is from GCC 4.6.3 up fully supported. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/AMD#FX-8xxx.2F6xxx.2F4xxx_.28Bulldozer.29 Tamer Am 15.04.2013 16:47, schrieb João Matos: > Great discussion. > > I'm in a similar situation. I'm using

Re: [gentoo-user] which machine to buy for perfect gentoo machine?!

General thoughts when building a home gentoo workstation that you want to last a _long_ time: - Quality, durability, and flexibility of the motherboard, power supply, and chassis are the most important items to focus on. You want a motherboard that is capable of lasting for 10yrs w/o problem, so