[geo] Re: comet tail aerosols

2009-01-14 Thread David Schnare
Andrew: That is but one theory and reflects a weak correlation. It is not proved and is not subject to scientific testing. Other phenomena seem much more likely to have caused the cooling in that period. David Schnare On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Andrew Lockley wrote: > > I note from the

[geo] Re: Geoengineering Projects Approval Committee

2009-01-14 Thread Mike MacCracken
Dear Andrew-- There is certainly need for discussion, but you are over-interpreting a bit. I am not out to make summers so cool that agriculture does not do well (except perhaps in the new higher latitude areas to where it has expanded) and my winters would be plenty cool enough to form lots of s

[geo] Re: comet tail aerosols

2009-01-14 Thread Mike MacCracken
There have been suggestions about putting dust or solar absorbing material in orbit in the past (I think they were covered in the 1992 NAS report, for example). The idea actually goes back at least to Hoyle (1957) and was expanded on by Kahle and Deirmendjian (1973) of Rand Corporation. The basic p

[geo] Sea absorbing less CO2

2009-01-14 Thread Greg Rau
Perhaps I've missed something, but if you are advocating increased ventilation of the subsurface ocean, this water is not only nutrient rich, but is is also supersaturated in CO2 (relative to air). Natural ocean upwelling is a huge CO2 source for the atmosphere. So unless you can show that

[geo] Re: Boston Globe-- Very Interesting anti-Gaia perspective of Earth

2009-01-14 Thread John Nissen
Dear all, I think this kind of life-force thinking runs very deep, and prevents us acting appropriately. Just about the whole environment movement seems to be based on a thinking that the planet is naturally stable, and if only mankind can behave "naturally", all will be well - the negative

[geo] Re: Possible negatie feedback

2009-01-14 Thread dsw_s
Aerosols from an eruption cool the climate briefly and then settle out of the atmosphere, whereas greenhouse gases released by volcanism persist longer. Ice sheets thick enough to affect volcanism take many years to accumulate. So this sounds more likely to be a positive- feedback effect to me.

[geo] Re: Geoengineering Projects Approval Committee

2009-01-14 Thread Oliver Wingenter
Dear Geo Group, One last time. If say Dr. Guru has a plan to keep see water from rising. He writes a paper. Some how Prince Dubai gets a hold of it and says. "Holy Paula Abdula, I can save my billion dollar casino that is 1 m above water. He contacts Guru. Guru says we are going to need a lo

[geo] Re: Geoengineering Projects Approval Committee

2009-01-14 Thread wigley
In my view there is already a mechanism for this, the UNFCCC. What may be needed is a new Protocol, directed specifically towards geoengineering. Kyoto Protocol experiences, and US intransigence, may make people nervous about this mechanism -- but the K.P. is flawed and the "climate" has changed

[geo] Re: Geoengineering Projects Approval Committee

2009-01-14 Thread Oliver Wingenter
How about one more scenario. The city of LA has been slowly upgrading its buildings sidings and roof to save energy. The effect has been that far fewer fires occur. The city of LA put a lot of the fire hoses on sale on EBay. Now Dr. Brainstorm can finally afford his project, with the help of t

[geo] Re: Sea absorbing less CO2

2009-01-14 Thread Andrew Lockley
Any outgassing of the deep ocean water when it rose to the surface would only release gases added during the aeration process. Unless the existing ocean water was supersaturated, then there shouldn't be any additional outgassing. I don't have the expertise to advise whether there are supersatura

[geo] Re: Sea absorbing less CO2

2009-01-14 Thread Mike MacCracken
Andrew--Greg is right--and warming of ocean near surface would also force CO2 out, so maybe do at high latitudes where it is cold and encourage marine life. Mike On 1/14/09 7:25 PM, "Andrew Lockley" wrote: > > Any outgassing of the deep ocean water when it rose to the surface > would only re

[geo] Re: Sea absorbing less CO2

2009-01-14 Thread Andrew Lockley
Surely the effect detailed below will affect ALL plans to aid Ocean mixing. The outgassing has nothing to do with the use of bubbles to move the water - the bubbles can't possibly release more gas than a comparable non-bubble technique. A 2009/1/15 Mike MacCracken : > Andrew--Greg is right--and