RE: [geo] Re: Global solicitation for new ideas is needed more than ever

2013-09-03 Thread John Latham
Hello Michael et al., I think you make some excellent points, Michael, and I have only one comment to make regarding them:- You say that: "MCB may not provide as even a drop in temperature as SSI". This is basically true. However, work spear-headed by Stephen Salter indicates that it may be p

Re: [geo] Re: New paper on polar SRM

2013-09-03 Thread Mike MacCracken
First, I¹ll agree that pulling out the CO2 is preferable‹just hard to do fast enough. On the issue of what would happen, if what Jennifer Francis has been saying, then increasing the equator-pole temperature gradient (by cooling the Arctic, or both poles) would tend to lead to a more zonal jet and

[geo] Re: Global solicitation for new ideas is needed more than ever

2013-09-03 Thread Michael Hayes
Mark, It does come down to funding. Even simple ideation on this issue requires researching well into the third and even forth level of effects and doing so on multiple levels of 'context'. And, those doing that kind of work need to be funded as this is an expensive 'hobby' for most folks rese

Re: [geo] Re: New paper on polar SRM

2013-09-03 Thread Michael Hayes
Mike et al., David Kieth let me know (through PM) that his group is trying to incorporate the possible increase of PSCs, due to SSI, into their model. The issues of PSC increases and ozone loss are both closely related to atmospheric sulfur particulates. If SSI is to be used, due to the strong

Re: [geo] Re: New paper on polar SRM

2013-09-03 Thread William H. Calvin
Hi Mike, Re "the complex pattern of geography, land-sea, etc. currently lead to energy being added now to the atmosphere in an uneven way, and so I am not convinced having some moderate unevenness would be a problem, etc." But we are looking here at deviations from the usual variations. To take

Re: [geo] Re: New paper on polar SRM

2013-09-03 Thread Mike MacCracken
Hi Andrew: Agreed. Speculating a bit, if, as Jennifer Francis hypothesis is right that the jet stream has become wavier as the equator-pole gradient has been reduced, then one would expect for the jet to be pushed back toward the more zonal flow of the past, but that certainly needs to be a questio

Re: [geo] Re: New paper on polar SRM

2013-09-03 Thread Mike MacCracken
Hi Bill‹That is a good question to look closely at. I would suggest, without having done the studies, so doing so speculatively, that in that the complex pattern of geography, land-sea, etc. currently lead to energy being added now to the atmosphere in an uneven way, and so I am not convinced havin

Re: [geo] Re: New paper on polar SRM

2013-09-03 Thread Andrew Lockley
Speaking as a periodically soaked/parched and frozen/boiled brit, I think that the effect of polar only SRM on the jet stream would need to be thoroughly investigated before anyone seriously proposed it. A On Sep 3, 2013 9:17 PM, "Mike MacCracken" wrote: > Hi Bill—That is a good question to lo

[geo] Re: New paper on polar SRM

2013-09-03 Thread William H. Calvin
Re the more detailed model: Both high haze and MCB have a problem, that of uneven application and its probable consequences. Big perturbations in seasonal delivery of moisture to a region result in drought and/or deluge. Indeed, one states' drought may be another state's deluge, simply because

[geo] Audio : Show Us Your PhD – International Governance of SRM - Australian Broadcasting Corporation

2013-09-03 Thread Andrew Lockley
Audio download on link http://blogs.abc.net.au/nsw/2013/09/show-us-your-phd-the-international-governance-of-solar-radiation-management-methods-of-geoengineerin.html Show Us Your PhD – The International Governance of Solar Radiation Management Methods of Geoengineering 03/09/2013 , 3:25 PM by Dia

[geo] Climate engineering may assist global warming fight | Pacific Beat | ABC Radio Australia

2013-09-03 Thread Andrew Lockley
Poster's note : radio show. No transcript available http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/radio/program/pacific-beat/climate-engineering-may-assist-global-warming-fight/1184823 Climate engineering may assist global warming fight Updated 3 September 2013, 8:40 AEST Climate engineering is