[geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-12 Thread Chris Vivian
Michael, Your deconstruction of CBD Decision X/33 8(w) doesn’t make sense: 1. The decision is clearly aimed at deliberate geoengineering activities designed to mitigate climate change *not* climate change caused by emissions from activities such as power generation. 2.

Re: [geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-12 Thread Jim Lee
I stand by the heading for the following reasons: 1. The title is loosely based on this title from TechDirt: Bill Gates' New Career? Patent Troll For Nathan Myhrvold?http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?company=searete and this on from The Guardian: The man who would stop hurricanes with car

RE: [geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-12 Thread John Latham
Andrew, Sloppy sentence. Yes, I have to plead guilty. Cheers, John. John Latham Address: P.O. Box 3000,MMM,NCAR,Boulder,CO 80307-3000 Email: lat...@ucar.edu or john.latha...@manchester.ac.uk Tel: (US-Work) 303-497-8182 or (US-Home) 303-444-2429 or (US-Cell) 303-882-0724 or (UK)

Re: [geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-12 Thread Andrew Lockley
Stephen You make confident claims about the fate and flow of droplets emitted from your ships. I am unclear on several aspects : How are droplets which have fallen onto the sea surface supposed to get off again? How windy will it need to be before breakers extinguish low or contacted droplets

RE: [geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-11 Thread John Latham
Jim, There is much that I agree with you about, and I find it frustrating that what could perhaps be construed by some as shrillness on your part produces an alienation which prohibits your receiving the support that you deserve. You say, for example:- Technology and control the direction of

Re: [geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-11 Thread Ken Caldeira
Jim, What are you attempting to imply by sending out something under the heading: Bill Gates and world's top Geoengineers collaborate on patentshttp://www.techdirt.com/blog/?company=searete : *Hurricane Protection for Cash*! 1. Is your implication that Bill Gates sees geoengineering as an easy

Re: [geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-10 Thread euggordon
The goal is not weather modification or anything to do with weather but to alter/control slightly the average, local, long term temperature i.e. local climate modification not weather control. Hence your comments on controlling weather offer no insight into a totally different issue. Limited

[geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-09 Thread Michael Hayes
Jim, You left a comment on the video which states: ***The Convention for Biological Diversity bans geoengineering. *I'm fairly confident that the CBD has issued no such ban. If you can copy/paste/post the exact CBD language which establishes a 'ban on GE', I would be grateful for the

Re: [geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-09 Thread Mick West
I believe Jim is referring to the following invitation to consider guidance from COP 10 (2010), frequently misinterpreted as a ban. http://www.cbd.int/decision/cop/default.shtml?id=12299 COP 10 Decision X/33 X/33.Biodiversity and climate change The Conference of the Parties, ... 8.*Invites*

[geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-09 Thread Michael Hayes
Thanks Mick, Yes, the Ban thing is becoming something of an urban legend. Here is how I would deconstruct the key thinking: *in the absence of science based (science would not be absent), global (global what? Political, science, media talking heads, The C**olbert Nation**?), transparent and

[geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics Politics of Geoengineering

2013-08-09 Thread Jim Lee
As you could clearly see, my video comment was in response to a low information voter and I agree with Mick's response. Geoengineering seeks to do globally what cloud seeders claim to do locally: control the weather. We lack the knowledge/ability to control rain after 60 years of cloud