Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-19 Thread Jody Garnett
Gabriel I am concerned by both the "clean up cruft" line in your origional plan; and your commends about FilterFactory and issues with namespace in this email. It sounds like you recognize the breath of scope you are talking about it beyond the requirements of this current proposal. This proposal c

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-19 Thread Gabriel Roldan
chiming in (late) Afaik these are some of the most important things to address geoserver wise: - Catalog (already discussed and quite - FilterFactory: it is namespace aware or its unuseful. The approach taken in the app-schema modules is the one I like. I.e. PropertyName is given a ns context (N

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-19 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Jody Garnett wrote: > I guess I will wait for patches to make my final judgment and vote > for or against the proposal, but this seems to be happening a bit > opaquely. > > > I am not sure that approach works Justin - need a clear GSIP before > starting work do we not? The proposal l

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-18 Thread Rob.Atkinson
:44 PM To: Caradoc-Davies, Ben (E&M, Kensington) Cc: Andrea Aime; Woodcock, Robert (E&M, Kensington); Fraser, Ryan (E&M, Kensington); Geoserver-devel; Geotools-Devel list; Atkinson, Rob (CLW, Lucas Heights) Subject: Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API Sorry to chime i

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Chris Holmes wrote: > So my main problem with this paragraph is the notion that the DataAccess > API is 'well supported' in GeoTools. Has it seen any real use in > production? Has it been integrated in stable versions of any projects? No, nor will it, until it is supported by GeoServer. Chicke

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Chris Holmes
Sorry to chime in even later. A few thoughts Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > Andrea Aime wrote: >> Ben Caradoc-Davies ha scritto: >>> I have renamed the DataAccess proposal and now propose it as GSIP 31. >>> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+31+-+Use+DataAccess+API >> The general idea in the GSI

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
> Hmmm... I don't think the inside-out approach was the cause of the > problem. This is just my opinion but the lack of funding and failure to > engage the core developer community is what led to these forks not going > anywhere. Sounds like its worth being aware that in the last round of effort t

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Justin Deoliveira wrote: > I will be honest with you, I am skeptical of your time line given the > current state of the proposal and the fact that you are more or less > proposing a "wait and see" for an estimate of the work. Scepticism is a good thing! Estimation is hard, doubly so when I am t

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Justin Deoliveira wrote: >> Is a freeze in effect on trunk? I was unaware of this. We can hold off >> if you are wanting to branch in the next few days. > In the next few days no. But in the next few months yes. Since your > proposal does not have any time lines attached to it, and is not on the

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Justin Deoliveira
> > The timeline for the first API changes is 30 Jan (two weeks from today). > It is mostly done and will likely take a few more days, double and round > up for troubleshooting and overheads. > > We will get a better idea of how much work remains when we run > community/app-schema/sample-data

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Justin Deoliveira
> > Is a freeze in effect on trunk? I was unaware of this. We can hold off > if you are wanting to branch in the next few days. In the next few days no. But in the next few months yes. Since your proposal does not have any time lines attached to it, and is not on the road map with any time atta

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Justin Deoliveira wrote: > Sorry to chime in late. To add to Andrea's feedback, not only is > resourcing important for this one, but also is the time. Since the > changes are quite extensive in GeoServer they must be done in a way that > does not disrupt the entire project. Of course. > At th

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-15 Thread Justin Deoliveira
Sorry to chime in late. To add to Andrea's feedback, not only is resourcing important for this one, but also is the time. Since the changes are quite extensive in GeoServer they must be done in a way that does not disrupt the entire project. At the same time doing this on a branch has proven ti

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-14 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Andrea Aime wrote: > Ben Caradoc-Davies ha scritto: >> I have renamed the DataAccess proposal and now propose it as GSIP 31. >> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+31+-+Use+DataAccess+API > > The general idea in the GSIP is fine, but it's a very, very big > topic that requires changes in both G

Re: [Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-14 Thread Andrea Aime
Ben Caradoc-Davies ha scritto: > Jody, > > I have renamed the DataAccess proposal and now propose it as GSIP 31. > http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+31+-+Use+DataAccess+API > > Note that the proposal is not specific to app-schema. It proposes > support for all DataAccess implementations. Th

[Geoserver-devel] GSIP 31 - Use Data Access API

2009-01-13 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Jody, I have renamed the DataAccess proposal and now propose it as GSIP 31. http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+31+-+Use+DataAccess+API Note that the proposal is not specific to app-schema. It proposes support for all DataAccess implementations. I have also created a container Jira issue: htt