Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Artem Pelenitsyn
I've been using the recently created Types Zulip (for academic PL) -- my first experience with this platform -- and also found it unusual at first but then quite liked the dynamic topics thing (exactly for reasons Mario describes). Zulip or anything from 21st century would be a huge improvement

Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Alex Rozenshteyn
Thanks for the perspective! I was not thinking of Gitter or Discord as being in the running for various reasons. On Wed, May 19, 2021, 22:27 Mario Carneiro wrote: > Speaking as a *heavy* user of the Rust and Lean zulip instances, I find it > a huge improvement over the alternatives of Gitter

Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Mario Carneiro
Speaking as a *heavy* user of the Rust and Lean zulip instances, I find it a huge improvement over the alternatives of Gitter and Discord, and I think IRC although I have not used IRC much. It takes some getting used to, but the topic threading is absolutely essential once you reach a certain

Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Carter Schonwald
I definitely find Zulip confusing and have failed to use it every time I’ve tried If normal threading is lasagna layers, Zulip threading is like trying to hold cooked spaghetti in your ha d. On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 2:40 PM Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > (I'm a little ashamed that I lurk on this

Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Alex Rozenshteyn
(I'm a little ashamed that I lurk on this list but the thing that brings me out of lurking is a post on communication technologies) Not Zulip. Please not Zulip. I've used Zulip once many years ago, and once this year. Both times, its interface felt clunky, and it felt like it was trying to get

Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Ben Gamari
Carter Schonwald writes: > I personally vote for irc. Perhaps via Libera. > > What are some example vibrant technical communities on matrix? I’ve > experienced such on irc but less so via more recent / newer platforms > I know that many subcommunities within the Rust community use Matrix. I

Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Carter Schonwald
I personally vote for irc. Perhaps via Libera. What are some example vibrant technical communities on matrix? I’ve experienced such on irc but less so via more recent / newer platforms On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:57 AM Ben Gamari wrote: > Hi all, > > As you may have heard the Freenode IRC

Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Jack Hill
On Wed, 19 May 2021, Ben Gamari wrote: Hi all, As you may have heard the Freenode IRC network, long the home of #ghc and several other prominent Haskell channels, appears to be in the middle of a rather nasty hostile takeover [1,2,3,4]. As a consequence, it seems it will be necessary to

Re: GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Sebastian Graf
Hi, As one of those contributors that is already using the Matrix-to-freenode-IRC bridge through http://element.io/, I'd prefer moving to Matrix. And *if* we commit to a move, I suggest we don't move to another IRC server. That leaves Zulip vs. Matrix, both of which I'd be fine with. For

GHC and the future of Freenode

2021-05-19 Thread Ben Gamari
Hi all, As you may have heard the Freenode IRC network, long the home of #ghc and several other prominent Haskell channels, appears to be in the middle of a rather nasty hostile takeover [1,2,3,4]. As a consequence, it seems it will be necessary to migrate the #ghc community elsewhere. The next

Re: Darwin CI Status

2021-05-19 Thread Moritz Angermann
Matt has access to the M1 builder in my closet now. The darwin performance issue is mainly there since BigSur, and (afaik) primarily due to the amount of DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH's we pass to GHC invocations. The system linker spends the majority of the time in the kernel stat'ing and getelements (or

Darwin CI Status

2021-05-19 Thread Matthew Pickering
Hi all, The darwin pipelines are gumming up the merge pipeline as they are taking over 4 hours to complete on average. I am going to disable them - https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/5785 Please can someone give me access to one of the M1 builders so I can debug why the tests