Re: [Gimp-developer] Native RAW support

2010-09-20 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 09/20/2010 10:51 PM, Sven Neumann wrote: > On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 22:18 +0200, fu...@gmx.net wrote: >>> GIMP can't load or save any file format except XCF without separate >>> plug-ins. So by your definition of "native support" GIMP doesn't support >>> any file formats except XCF. Most features i

Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhance PDB display new and delete so scripts don't abort in batch

2010-09-20 Thread Kevin Cozens
lloyd konneker wrote: > An alternative in Python is to bracket a call to gimp_display_new() with > try:except:, but there is no such alternative in Scheme. Scheme has the "catch" and "throw" statements. There are some simple notes about them in the script-fu.init file but that is about it for the

[Gimp-developer] Enhance PDB display new and delete so scripts don't abort in batch

2010-09-20 Thread lloyd konneker
This proposes enhancing PDB gimp_display_new() to successfully return a null display when non-interactive, and enhancing PDB gimp_display_delete to return success even for a null display. Most scripts (Python and Scheme) that call gimp_display_new() abort the script when run in batch mode. The pr

Re: [Gimp-developer] shorthanded and outnumbered (Re: Native RAW support)

2010-09-20 Thread saulgoode
Quoting "Joao S. O. Bueno" : > Oliver - > > this rant has no reason to be. Sorry for that. I disagree. Oliver has politely raised an issue to be discussed and presents some valid points. GIMP is nearly a million lines of code -- well over a million if you take into account GEGL and BABL. If

Re: [Gimp-developer] Native RAW support

2010-09-20 Thread Sven Neumann
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 22:18 +0200, fu...@gmx.net wrote: > > GIMP can't load or save any file format except XCF without separate > > plug-ins. So by your definition of "native support" GIMP doesn't support > > any file formats except XCF. Most features in GIMP are implemented as > > plug-ins. So I d

Re: [Gimp-developer] Native RAW support

2010-09-20 Thread fufuz
> GIMP can't load or save any file format except XCF without separate > plug-ins. So by your definition of "native support" GIMP doesn't support > any file formats except XCF. Most features in GIMP are implemented as > plug-ins. So I don't see your point in asking us to add RAW support to > the cor

Re: [Gimp-developer] shorthanded and outnumbered (Re: Native RAW support)

2010-09-20 Thread oliver
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 05:31:07PM +0100, Øyvind Kolås wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:10 PM, wrote: > >> Oliver - > >> > >> this rant has no reason to be.  Sorry for that. > >> It makes no sense to start working in a project the size of GIMP > >> without having to learn the code already in th

Re: [Gimp-developer] Native RAW support

2010-09-20 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Sven Neumann wrote: > ... GEGL will also use third-party libraries to read and > write RAW files. We are certainly not going to reinvent the wheel. GEGL already supports using dcraw to load raw files using the operations gegl:raw-load uses the dcraw binary, readin

Re: [Gimp-developer] Native RAW support

2010-09-20 Thread Sven Neumann
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 01:11 +0200, fu...@gmx.net wrote: > Without the requirement of installing separate software/plug-ins. GIMP can't load or save any file format except XCF without separate plug-ins. So by your definition of "native support" GIMP doesn't support any file formats except XCF. Most

Re: [Gimp-developer] shorthanded and outnumbered (Re: Native RAW support)

2010-09-20 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:10 PM, wrote: >> Oliver - >> >> this rant has no reason to be.  Sorry for that. >> It makes no sense to start working in a project the size of GIMP >> without having to learn the code already in there first. > [...] > > I didn't say people should not look into the code.

Re: [Gimp-developer] shorthanded and outnumbered (Re: Native RAW support)

2010-09-20 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 9/20/10, oliver wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:39:42PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > [...] >> The way things are going native RAW support in GIMP using GEGL + some >> can-opener library will likely require a dedicated developer in the >> team. Which the team doesn't seem to have righ

Re: [Gimp-developer] shorthanded and outnumbered (Re: Native RAW support)

2010-09-20 Thread Jon Nordby
On 20 September 2010 15:10, wrote: > Is this is not addressed, then it makes no sense to > mourn about shorthanded and outnumbered developers. > You're more than welcome to address the issue. -- Regards Jon Nordby - www.jonnor.com ___ Gimp-developer m

Re: [Gimp-developer] shorthanded and outnumbered (Re: Native RAW support)

2010-09-20 Thread oliver
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:25:12AM -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:38 AM, wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:39:42PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > [...] > >> The way things are going native RAW support in GIMP using GEGL + some > >> can-opener library will l

Re: [Gimp-developer] shorthanded and outnumbered (Re: Native RAW support)

2010-09-20 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:38 AM, wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:39:42PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > [...] >> The way things are going native RAW support in GIMP using GEGL + some >> can-opener library will likely require a dedicated developer in the >> team. Which the team doesn't s

[Gimp-developer] shorthanded and outnumbered (Re: Native RAW support)

2010-09-20 Thread oliver
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:39:42PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: [...] > The way things are going native RAW support in GIMP using GEGL + some > can-opener library will likely require a dedicated developer in the > team. Which the team doesn't seem to have right now, being heavily > shorthande

Re: [Gimp-developer] Native RAW support

2010-09-20 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 9/20/10, fufuz wrote: > I read on the Internet, that GEGL will provide support for many raw format > types of different camera manufacturers already by itself Where I come from people say that the only thing that happens by itself is newborn kittens :) GEGL already uses libopenraw library tha

Re: [Gimp-developer] Native RAW support

2010-09-20 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 9/19/10, Hal V. Engel wrote: > UFRAW has a nice GIMP plug-in that has full RAW processing features. Not > sure why it is necessary to reinvent the wheel. There are different ways to deal with RAW images. A well-known proprietary analog of GIMP :) comes with a plug-in that takes care or doing