Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-10-04 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:54:35 -0400, "Christopher Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/27/06, Raphaël Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a different issue from what was discussed here. You can toggle > > between moving layers, selection masks or paths by using the modifiers: > > Ctr

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-10-04 Thread David Gowers
On 10/4/06, Christopher Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: These are the 2.2.13 options.  I have to say I don't see a differencebetween 'pick' and 'move' for the normal/shifted case but I didn't tryMove moves the current item; pick moves the item that it thinks you're clicking on.  In 2.3.x, the to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-10-03 Thread Christopher Curtis
On 9/27/06, Raphaël Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is a different issue from what was discussed here. You can toggle between moving layers, selection masks or paths by using the modifiers: Ctrl or Alt (this will soon be indicated in the status bar). I don't How will this be indicated?

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread gg
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:32:33 +0200, saulgoode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A google of "CAD translations and transformations" will readily display how the two operations are commonly paired. Perhaps a better question to ask would be what graphics programs *don't* associate these operations? Be

[Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Saul Goode
On 9/28/06, Michael Natterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In Current CVS, you have to press alt+shift or alt+control to actually >move the pixels with a selection tool. Nobody does that accidentially, >and it's a powerful tool for power users. I see no reason to remove it. A feature bei

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread David Gowers
On 9/28/06, Michael Natterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 21:48 +0930, David Gowers wrote:> On 9/28/06, saulgoode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Regarding the current user interface (in CVS), I fail to see > any logic> in having the selection tools possessi

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Michael Natterer
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 21:48 +0930, David Gowers wrote: > On 9/28/06, saulgoode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Regarding the current user interface (in CVS), I fail to see > any logic > in having the selection tools possessing the ability to move > selection

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Michael Natterer
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 14:11 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:48:29 +0200, Michael Natterer > > Aha... so which of the tools under "Transform Tool" is not doing > > a transform? I don't see any that wouldn't perfectly fit into > > the category. > > > > ciao, > > --mitch > >

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread David Gowers
On 9/28/06, saulgoode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Regarding the current user interface (in CVS), I fail to see any logicin having the selection tools possessing the ability to move selectioncontents, it is much simpler and more intuitive if they limit themselves to selecting regions and not engage

Re: *** PROBABLY SPAM *** Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread gg
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:48:29 +0200, Michael Natterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 02:13 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're agreed about how this tool should operate but I'd still like to review how some of these items are classed as transformations. I don't think that m

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Michael Natterer
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 02:13 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > We're agreed about how this tool should operate but I'd still like to > review how some of these items are classed as transformations. I dont > think that makes sense to the user. I covered that in a reply to Sven. Aha... so which o

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread saulgoode
While "moves" might not be considered to be within the category of Transformations, they are commonly associated with them. A google of "CAD translations and transformations" will readily display how the two operations are commonly paired. Perhaps a better question to ask would be what graphics pro

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 02:13 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > We're agreed about how this tool should operate but I'd still like to > review how some of these items are classed as transformations. I dont > think that makes sense to the user. Well, we can't really decide that without doi

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread gg
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:52:56 +0200, William Skaggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The user makes a selection then picks the move tool to move it. "The fool!" you cry. Well what do you expect him to do? That seems like a perfectly logical way to do it and I would bet you 9/10 new users will

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread William Skaggs
From: Rapha�l Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >As a side note, it would be nice if the rectangle and ellipse >selection tools (not the base rectangle tool) would take Alt into >account before the selection is confirmed and behave as if the >selection had been confirmed: Alt = move selection mask,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread William Skaggs
>> Bill, to you it *is* a transform tool because you are close to the code >> and you know the way is it implemented. To the user it *is not* a >> transform tool. It's just a tool off the palette like any other that is >> called "Move" and that carries the hint "move layers, selections and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread gg
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:10:16 +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 00:04 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I was led to thinking it was by Bills comment and did not bother checking the source. My point is, moving a selection is probably not transformi

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread gg
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:34:13 +0200, Raphaël Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you are using a development version, it is likely that your toolrc has not been updated since a while. I recommend that you just delete it and restart GIMP. Just rm ~/.gimp-2.3/toolrc. -Raphaël thanks , that g

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 23:21 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Bill, to you it *is* a transform tool because you are close to the code > and you know the way is it implemented. To the user it *is not* a > transform tool. It's just a tool off the palette like any other that is > called "M

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:21:04 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You might see it as a lateral translation effected by simple transform > matrix multiplication. The user just wants to move a bit to one side. You probably misunderstood Bill. This is exactly what he meant by saying that the Move to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread gg
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:14:38 +0200, William Skaggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems that for consistency the Move tool should act like a transform tool --- because after all, it *is* a transform tool. That is, if there is a selection, it should move the contents of the selection, otherwise

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread gg
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:39:40 +0200, Raphaël Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it would be nice if the rectangle and ellipse selection tools (not the base rectangle tool) would take Alt into account before the selection is confirmed and behave as if the selection had been confirmed: Alt = move

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:42:38 -0700, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:01:29PM +0200, Rapha?l Quinet wrote: > > So I am wondering... What should be the behavior of the Move tool > > when a selection exists? Wouldn't it be good to have the ability to > > move the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread Carol Spears
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:01:29PM +0200, Rapha?l Quinet wrote: > > So I am wondering... What should be the behavior of the Move tool > when a selection exists? Wouldn't it be good to have the ability to > move the selected pixels (and create a floating selection) instead of > moving the whole l

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:14:38 -0700, "William Skaggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems that for consistency the Move tool should act like a > transform tool --- because after all, it *is* a transform tool. > That is, if there is a selection, it should move the contents > of the selection, othe

Re: [Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread William Skaggs
It seems that for consistency the Move tool should act like a transform tool --- because after all, it *is* a transform tool. That is, if there is a selection, it should move the contents of the selection, otherwise it should move the layer. -- Bill __ __ _

[Gimp-developer] Moving selection contents with the move tool?

2006-09-27 Thread Raphaël Quinet
I just saw (on IRC) a confused user of gimp 2.2.11 who was not able to move a part of an image to a different place. Despite some advice from edhel and myself telling him to just drag the selected area to a different place, it did not work. And we could not understand what was wrong... until he f