Manish Singh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:42:03AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> As brought up earlier, claiming other projects have significantly more
> developers is simply untrue. Please stop spreading FUD.
Oh, btw, "FUD" is another candidate.
AFAIK the term "FUD" has t
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:42:03AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Well, you're somewhat right. But other projects do not seem to have a problem
> finding developers. Inkscape has them. Subversion has many of them. While
> the "hackerdom" level of the open source people has decreased somewhat, we
>
Hi Simon!
On Wednesday 21 March 2007, Simon Budig wrote:
> Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Actually I also think it was too rude. Let's analyze it:
>
> [...]
>
> > 1. You didn't say "hi".
>
> Oh, come on. A lot of the mails on mailinglists don't include a greeting
> if quoting something
Michael Schumacher wrote:
>
> We do have a list etiquette at http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html. I'd like
> to suggest that it is moved above the mailing lists, maybe it will be read
> more often then.
>
I recently submitted a patch to the gimp-web list addressing this page. I added
a link to t
Akkana Peck wrote:
> Maybe that's the intent -- to set up a gauntlet that weeds out any
> potential participants who might be lazy or thin skinned. If so, no
> problem. But if you actually want lots of new participants, then how
> other people perceive the project matters.
>
I don't think more aut
Hi, general comments:
The tone of the GIMP mailing list has improved dramatically over the
years (long time lurker here) and I would assert that it is generally
very reasonable.
However, language barriers can cause problems and special care should
be taken when this is obviously the case. Also,
Maybe it worth gathering such a common questions in a FAQ and place the
link to it at the main page of the gimp.org? Unless these common
questions aren't answered at the usual place, they would be asked again
and again.
Sven Neumann wrote:
>But if ten minutes is the required amount of time that
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 06:02 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Well, I don't believe spending 10 minutes writing an email is a waste. I
> spend
> more time on most serious emails. When I write emails I invest a lot of
> conscious effort writing them.
Does this mean that you are volunteering to h
On Wednesday 21 March 2007, Simon Budig wrote:
> Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tuesday 20 March 2007, Simon Budig wrote:
> > > Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > It took me 10 minutes to write.
> > >
> > > Oh wow. Is it just me or is this really a *lot* of time? Personal
What fun!
Curiosity piqued, I tried to do some quasi-controlled analysis, using
the following method. For various values of "foo", I did a Google
search for "foo developers rude" and then for "foo developers
friendly", and computed the ratio of the number of hits, yielding the
RQ or "rudeness qu
Hi,
I don't think that comparing projects will give us a lot insight. It
seems pretty clear to me that the main problem in GIMP development is
our long development cycle. This makes users believe that the project
would be stagnant and it takes a lot of fun out of the development. If
someone contri
Hi Simon!
Let me just say that I found your response (and your response to my other
email) well-thought and constructive, and generally agreeable. However, now I
have some higher priorities (not GIMP related unfortunately) so I will
reply[1] to this email later when I have some spare cycles.
B
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:41:48 -0700, Manish Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 08:00:42AM +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:
> > Though, Inkscape I think seems to have succeeded better than both GIMP
> > and Krita (attatching new and prettier script version)
>
> Yeah, but not by
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 08:00:42AM +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:
> Though, Inkscape I think seems to have succeeded better than both GIMP
> and Krita (attatching new and prettier script version)
Yeah, but not by much. The point being, pretty much all free software
projects could use more contribu
Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Actually I also think it was too rude. Let's analyze it:
[...]
> 1. You didn't say "hi".
Oh, come on. A lot of the mails on mailinglists don't include a greeting
if quoting something. I've never perceived that as *rude*.
> 2. You phrased it as a question t
Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 March 2007, Simon Budig wrote:
> > Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > It took me 10 minutes to write.
> >
> > Oh wow. Is it just me or is this really a *lot* of time? Personally I'd
> > consider answering 6 "lazy questions" per hour a
On Tuesday 20 March 2007, Simon Budig wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > It took me 10 minutes to write.
>
> Oh wow. Is it just me or is this really a *lot* of time? Personally I'd
> consider answering 6 "lazy questions" per hour a waste of time.
>
Well, a few notes:
1. I
Though, Inkscape I think seems to have succeeded better than both GIMP
and Krita (attatching new and prettier script version)
Martin Nordholts
skrev:
> You're right, and I appologize for drawing hasty/wrong conclusions, my
> prejudices were wrong. Check out this awesome Ruby script though, it
You're right, and I appologize for drawing hasty/wrong conclusions, my
prejudices were wrong. Check out this awesome Ruby script though, it
produces some rather interesting output nevertheless.
Martin
:Manish Singh skrev:
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 07:36:52PM +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:
>>
yep, Gimp's team has its own reputation : not very opened to outside
things. may be this is not completely true, for examplegimp's team has
been opened to join LGM instead of going on with the GimpCons.
I guess nobody is responsible and everyone can be. The fact can Gimp is
a quite huge and com
Hi.
Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> It took me 10 minutes to write.
Oh wow. Is it just me or is this really a *lot* of time? Personally I'd
consider answering 6 "lazy questions" per hour a waste of time.
(Sorry for not replying to all of your mail - this just stuck out to me)
Bye,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:21:23 +0100, Michael Natterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >> It is not really hard - and that is to you Mitch, you Sven, you Nomis,
> >> to simply remember the person on the other side is still a human
> >> being, is not
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 10:00 -0700, William Skaggs wrote:
> Acually the thing that struck me was that the answer from Mitch
> was not only a little rude (which is unusual for Mitch), it was
> also a bad answer -- it doesn't make sense to download the source
> code just to find out what language it i
(oops, sent privately: resending to list)
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:35:30 -0300, "Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> You see, the GIMP is not exactly with exceeding developer resources,
> and every single person I see trying to approach the project either
> here or over bugzi
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 07:36:52PM +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:
> GIMP is a widely used piece of software, if one compares to other pieces
> of FLOSS, there are often many more contributors at other, similar
> projects. Doesn't anyone find that strange?
I don't believe this is true. Can you back
I really would like to add my point of view to this discussion, sorry
for messing up threading (I had daily digests until just now)
I understand the reply was not in any way meant to be offensive mitch,
but I, as I have stated before on IRC, also think that not very rarely
replies to people who mi
On 3/20/07, Akkana Peck wrote:
> If there's no easy-to-find FAQ document, then is it fair to get mad
> at people for asking FAQs?
Currently gimp.org is in process of redesigning. I think that adding
another todo with regards to FAQ would be one step closer to being
percieved as nice people by mer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > Come on, that is simply a rude accusation.
>
> Is it rude? It seems perfectly reasonable and polite to me. Interestingly
> Sven seems to find this highly offensive as well. May be you think taking
> offense somehow negates the criticism. It seems you both are not
Acually the thing that struck me was that the answer from Mitch
was not only a little rude (which is unusual for Mitch), it was
also a bad answer -- it doesn't make sense to download the source
code just to find out what language it is written in.
Now if the first thing that occurs to *Mitch* is
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:21:23 +0100, Michael Natterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> It is not really hard - and that is to you Mitch, you Sven, you Nomis,
>> to simply remember the person on the other side is still a human
>> being, is not it? Not less human for having less abilities to
>> compil
There is a practice within OO bugzilla management (at least with some QA
persons) to 1. thank the bug reporter for his work - whether it is
useless from a developer's POV or not. 2. if it is a well-known bug or
the problem should be known from FAQ or other online document, the link
to this docu
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:28:49 +0100, Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Simon, where does that forbid one to add words
> > like "thanks", "please", "would" and etc... to even a short answer,
> > like a FAQ URL???
>
> Nothing forbids
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 23:35 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote:
> It is not really hard - and that is to you Mitch, you Sven, you Nomis,
> to simply rememebr the person on the other sidee is sitll a human
> being, is not it? Not less human for having less abilities to
> compile/hack compli
Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Monday 19 March 2007 08:11, Simon Budig wrote:
> > > IMHO, refraining from posts like this could greatly improve the
> > > atmosphere of this list.
> > > It is really up to you to help somebody with answering his
> > > question or not to
Von: "Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You see, the GIMP is not exactly with exceeding developer resources,
> and every single person I see trying to approach the project either
> here or over bugzilla gets a rude answer that might have turned then
> away for good.
There are can
Hi,
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 23:35 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote:
> Simon, where does that forbid one to add words
> like "thanks", "please", "would" and etc... to even a short answer,
> like a FAQ URL???
Feel free to add those, no one forbids it. But seriously, the question
was stupid
On Monday 19 March 2007 08:11, Simon Budig wrote:
> > IMHO, refraining from posts like this could greatly improve the
> > atmosphere of this list.
> > It is really up to you to help somebody with answering his
> > question or not to help, but this "answer" only hurts and helps
> > nothing.
>
> I d
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