Looking at the menu we have.
1) Plugin/script development tools
2) Scripts that create new images.
3) The Module and Unit Editors
Wouldn't it make sense to refactor 2) into the file menu - either as a "new
from script", or into the new file dialog - as a special type of template
even.
3) shoul
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 04:22:19PM +0100, PLinnell wrote:
>
> In defense of the GIMP team, they are (unfairly IMO) criticized by
> those who are not attuned to the actual state of development and
> their stated goals.
>
> Call it support fatigue if you will, but these kinds of issues have
> b
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 06:59:40PM +0100, Alex Fernandez wrote:
> Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>
> > It was countless times announced by developers in this and other
> > mailing lists that they do wish to improve GUI of GIMP, but that they
> > don't want to clone PS. Sven wrote a special posting ab
> > But he doesn't! He said that the GIMP could have a PS compatibility
> > mode
>
> For usability's sake it's not good to introduce modes that make same
> application look and behave different.
I completely agree with this. Probably docking palettes or something
like this would be all that is nee
Alex Fernandez wrote:
>I have been reading many different developer mailing lists for
>several years now, and I've seen endless bickering, flaming,
>trolling, baiting... but this aggressive attitude towards potential
>developers and despise for users is unheard of. It is IMHO very
>unprofessio
> > We can improve the GIMP UI and it will improve. But if you really
> > think that the only acceptable user interface is a perfect clone of
> > Photoshop, then why don't you go ahead and start a project that aims
> > to create such a clone?
Weren't people complaining about Gimpshop forking ins
On 3/23/06, Alex Fernandez wrote:
> But he doesn't! He said that the GIMP could have a PS compatibility
> mode
For usability's sake it's not good to introduce modes that make same
application look and behave different.
It was countless times announced by developers in this and other
mailing list
Alex Fernandez wrote:
> It is not like you can afford turning away any helping hands.
I think this gets us back on track.
> People are usually proud of belonging to a helpful community,
> and are turned away by impolite answers like this one.
IMO is is still arguable whether Alexandre's quest
> > They are not valid. If someone said she was a KDE developer on a
> > Mozilla list, would you think it right to ask why is she using Firefox
> > instead of helping out with Konqueror?
>
> If he wants to convert Firefox into Konqueror, I would ask this, yes.
But he doesn't! He said that the GIMP
On 3/23/06, Sven Neumann wrote:
> > And when it's done will toolbox still be an always floating window
> > or optionally dockable one?
>
> We will have to evaluate this based on user scenarios. ButI don't
> think we would reject a clean patch that adds this functionality.
Sure :)
> > Simply dist
Alex Fernandez wrote:
>> Both questions are valid.
>
> They are not valid. If someone said she was a KDE developer on a
> Mozilla list, would you think it right to ask why is she using Firefox
> instead of helping out with Konqueror?
If he wants to convert Firefox into Konqueror, I would ask thi
> Both questions are valid.
They are not valid. If someone said she was a KDE developer on a
Mozilla list, would you think it right to ask why is she using Firefox
instead of helping out with Konqueror?
> How would you phrase them to be less harsh?
Not making them. It is one thing to be curt and
Alex Fernandez wrote:
>> Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking
>> down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2?
>
> Great way to attract collaborators. I guess many people love the GIMP,
> but they don't have the attitude to cooperate in its development; I
> could not be this har
On 3/23/06, Alex Fernandez wrote:
> > Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking
> > down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2?
>
> Great way to attract collaborators. I guess many people love the GIMP,
> but they don't have the attitude to cooperate in its development; I
> could not
Brendan wrote:
>> Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking
>> down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2?
>
> Because I've used Gimp since pre1.0 and I want to see it succeed?
But it is successful. We won't get anything from copying Photoshop,
except much more work by having to f
> Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking
> down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2?
Great way to attract collaborators. I guess many people love the GIMP,
but they don't have the attitude to cooperate in its development; I
could not be this harsh even if I tried.
Alex.
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On Thursday 23 March 2006 05:46, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On 3/23/06, Brendan wrote:
> > I am primarily a KDE hacker. I already donate piles of time to that
> > effort, including writing docs. I use Gimp almost every day, but I hear
> > it continuously about the need to have it at least have a
For people who want layer erffects and photoshop style interface. goto...
http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=9
Can we have a section in Gimp's FAQ about why the Gimp does not directly
copy Photoshop?
- Cam
Brendan wrote:
On Thursday 23 March 2006 03:44, you wrote:
Hi,
Brendan <
On 3/23/06, Brendan wrote:
> I am primarily a KDE hacker. I already donate piles of time to that effort,
> including writing docs. I use Gimp almost every day, but I hear it
> continuously about the need to have it at least have a PS compatibility mode,
> from graphic designers who would love to u
On Thursday 23 March 2006 03:44, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I wonder how many times it will take to hear the "Perhaps Gimp
> > should think about having a Photoshop-mode" before we'll stop
> > defending Gimp's interface...
>
> How many times will it take before peo
Hi,
Axel Wernicke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task.
>
> Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document
> window. This is not the case in the gui architecture of GIMP right
> now.
But it is something that could be chang
Hi,
"Alexandre Prokoudine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When you say "get rid of" you mean distribute its menu items over
> menus in each document's window?
Yes.
> And when it's done will toolbox still be an always floating window
> or optionally dockable one?
We will have to evaluate this ba
Hi,
Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I wonder how many times it will take to hear the "Perhaps Gimp
> should think about having a Photoshop-mode" before we'll stop
> defending Gimp's interface...
How many times will it take before people realize how much work it
would be to add and support
Hi,
"Martin Nordholts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> However, I think that when you use GIMP, the taskbar quickly gets
> bloated with lots of images. Would a TDI (Tabbed Document Interface)
> be very tough to implement in GIMP? TDI's have become very popular,
> and afaik lots of people agrees tha
Brendan writes:
> Please, oh Lord, someone fork Gimp.
I can imagine the scenario: (This is a parody, not a flame)
Someones forks GIMP, sets up a project on (say) SourceForge. He spends
lots of effort on the project's web page. (He is a c00l web designer.)
It has a long list of features that this
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 08:20:51PM -0500, Brendan wrote:
> Please, oh Lord, someone fork Gimp.
Actually, I doubt that forking the codebase and starting a new project
will solve the problems we're facing. Starting new projects is always
easier than manage them, as well as facing problems and solving
On 3/23/06, Brendan wrote:
> Oh god, that is lame.
>
> "We want to write good, quality code, that 4 people will use. We could make a
> few concessions and get 4 million using it, but no, we're good with the 4
> people."
>
> Please, oh Lord, someone fork Gimp.
I'm doing my best to understand why p
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 16:55, Carol Spears wrote:
> in this very big world now, it can be confusing (i imagine) to join us
> in our little part of it. gimp has never been written with the goal of
> huge masses of users that need to be pleased. it has been written with
> quality and efficiency
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 02:39:04PM +0100, Marega Marco wrote:
> First of all I have to tell I'm not a developer, but just I'm helping with
> italian translation of the program.
>
> I read all the messages that created this flame war.
> Through the lines I found a few good ideas that if implemented
First of all I have to tell I'm not a developer, but just I'm helping with
italian translation of the program.
I read all the messages that created this flame war.
Through the lines I found a few good ideas that if implemented toghether should
be a good compromise between Gimp and PS interface.
I
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:37:52AM +0100, Axel Wernicke wrote:
> > Exactly. So, do you have some Inkscape-like GUI on your mind?
> well I know this is insane, but I have Mac OS X in mind, where the
> menu is sticked to a menubar that is always located at the top of the
> screen :)
And even that
Martin Nordholts writes:
> I've have experience with both of Photoshop and GIMP, and I don't agree. To
> me Photoshop's interface is much more thoroughly designed.
Well, using usability expertise and the experience of real power GIMP
users in (re)designing GIMP's UI is something which the GIMP
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 14:45, Sven Neumann wrote:
> >By having an identical interface, more people could migrate, more
> >people would help on development, and everything would become better.
>
> GIMP does not attempt to be Photoshop nor to be like Photoshop. We do
> not believe that Phot
Martin Nordholts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> However, I think that when you use GIMP, the taskbar quickly gets bloated
> with lots of images. Would a TDI (Tabbed Document Interface) be very tough
> to implement in GIMP? TDI's have become very popular, and afaik lots of
> people agrees that TDIs
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Am 21.03.2006 um 23:58 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine:
On 3/22/06, Axel Wernicke wrote:
Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task.
Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document
window. This is not the case in
On 3/22/06, Axel Wernicke wrote:
> > Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task.
> Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document
> window. This is not the case in the gui architecture of GIMP right now.
Exactly. So, do you have some Inkscape-like GUI on your
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Hi Alexandre,
Am 21.03.2006 um 23:51 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine:
Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task.
Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document
window. This is not the case in the gui architectur
On 3/21/06, Sven Neumann wrote:
> >Well, in this particular case, I would just encourage to rename
> >'Xtns' to 'Extensions'.
>
> The problem here is that the toolbox is rather small and if we renamed
> the menu as you suggested, that would push the Help menu off the
> window. Of course yo
This is one of those debates which dosent thrill me.
Gimp != Photoshop.
People often misunderstand free software and think.
"Hey here is a free Photoshop, cool. What?? its not the same...
why not???"
People open the gimp. poke about. and complain if its not what there
used to. *(Grrr)
First, thanks for an insightful reply.
I read about MDIs at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_document_interface and I was conviced,
MDI seems like a thing of the past.
However, I think that when you use GIMP, the taskbar quickly gets bloated
with lots of images. Would a TDI (Tabbed Docu
First of all, I probably should mention that I'm not a GIMP
developer. However, I have worked with user interface design
professionally for over a decade and a half, and had been doing
plugins for Photoshop since before 3.5...
On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote:
I've h
On 3/21/06, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> are doomed to fail if you try to make a great tool by carbon copying
> it.
By carbon copying other tool, sorry :)))
Alexandre
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On 3/21/06, Martin Nordholts wrote:
> >GIMP does not attempt to be Photoshop nor to be like Photoshop.
>
> Well, I think it should! If there is any software today that has potential
> to be a PS counterpart, it is GIMP. I mean why, would we not want it to be
> Photoshop?
It's so simple that I fai
On 3/21/06, Martin Nordholts wrote:
> At first I had a
> hard time grasping the philosify behind Photoshop's interface, but after
> taking a class where we learned PS, it all made sense.
>
You took a class to understand PS interface and now you find it
better than GIMPs, for which, by the way, yo
The user interface of Photoshop has the same problem that GIMP's user
interface has: It has not been designed but it is grown into what it
is today. In that aspect the Photoshop user interface is definitely
worse than GIMP.
I've have experience with both of Photoshop and GIMP, and I don't agre
Hi,
"Martin Nordholts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>As I think usability (or rather a lack of it) is the main obstacle for
>people to migrate to freely availible software, wouldn't implementing
>the GIMP interface identicly to the market leading Adobe PS be the
>best thing to do?
I think this implies a design flaw. IMHO, you should never need to sacrifice understandability for layout.
As I think usability (or rather a lack of it) is the main obstacle for people to migrate to freely availible software, wouldn't implementing the GIMP interface identicly to the market leading
From: Axel Wernicke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Martin Nordholts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>CC: gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDUSubject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:34:15 +0100>Hi Martin,>>Am 21.03.2006 um 19:17 schrieb Martin
Hi Martin,
Am 21.03.2006 um 19:17 schrieb Martin Nordholts:
Hi!
I am I big fan of OSS and I love the GIMP initiativ.
That is an very honorable attitude :)
I am also a big fan of usability though, and I must wonder why
there is a menu item named 'Xtns'? From a usability point of view,
i
Martin Nordholts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I am also a big fan of usability though, and I must wonder why there is a
> menu item named 'Xtns'? From a usability point of view, it is not very
> good...
For hysterical raisins. It has been there forever and we have not yet
found a good place to p
Hi!
I am I big fan of OSS and I love the GIMP initiativ.
I am also a big fan of usability though, and I must wonder why there is a
menu item named 'Xtns'? From a usability point of view, it is not very
good...
I also have some other questions regarding usability, but I will start with
this
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