Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off - meta tarball

2004-09-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Raphaël Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This meta tarball would not be very hard to create or maintain: it's > just that the version numbers would have to be increased from time to > time, whenever the contents of a new gimp/gimp-gap/gimp-perl/... tarball > are extracted and included in

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Raphaël Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Besides the advantages of being distributed together with the GIMP, > including a plug-in in the main tree has another advantage: the > translations. Currently, it is rather hard for a plug-in distributed > separately from the GIMP to have good tr

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Carol Spears
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 06:57:56PM +0200, Rapha?l Quinet wrote: > > One way to solve this would be to put many plug-ins in a gimp-plug-ins > module in gnomecvs, but that would only shift the goal for the plug-in > developers from being included in the main tree to being included in the > "official

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread William Skaggs
Alan Horkan wrote: > I can understand that some people relish hunting for all sorts of > different add-ons (sometimes I feel like doing that too) but I dont think > most people do. A better way of putting it is that many people relish hunting for freebies, but they want it to be voluntary, not man

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:51:47 +0200, Michael Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's one aspect to splitting things out that hasn't been discussed > yet. By splitting e.g. a plug-in out into it's own module and basing it > on gimp-plug-in template, it becomes incredibly easy to compile it

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off - meta tarball

2004-09-09 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:06:12 +0200, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sven Neumann wrote: > > David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If everything ended up in one tarball, with a single-step build, > > > that would be grand. But I don't believe that's the intention, > > > given the pre

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Alan Horkan
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Carol Spears wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:02:16 -0700 > From: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > GIMPDev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off > >

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
David Neary schrieb: > I'm not opposed to having stuff split off, but I am worried about the stuff getting a bit lost. Most gimp 2.0 installs (the vast majority, I would say) don't have GAP or the perl bindings installed. That's not a trend we should be encouraging, IMHO. In fact, I think we need

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Quoting Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Do automake and libtool have any upcoming improvements that might > > help with the pre-configure and linking stages that I should know > > about? > > Well, what versions are you using at the moment? 1.7

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do automake and libtool have any upcoming improvements that might > help with the pre-configure and linking stages that I should know > about? Well, what versions are you using at the moment? Sven ___ Gimp

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Dave Neary
Quoting Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > But compile time has doubled over the past couple of years > > without a huge change in the size of the source code. It seems to > > me that the build tools we use have gotten more i/o and more > > pr

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But compile time has doubled over the past couple of years > without a huge change in the size of the source code. It seems to > me that the build tools we use have gotten more i/o and more > processor intensive. Is it possible we could make improveme

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread Carol Spears
more, On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 06:02:16PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > my experience with gimp is different than dave neary is talking about. > he is saying that if you dont get everything at one time, you will not > get it. when i first started to use gimp, it was so much fun to go > online and

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread Carol Spears
hello, long ago when i had a job and a home and friends who were gimp developers i had an idea of a plug-in building environment. in the time that this environment was designed, i lost all of those things previously listed. the environment i helped to design is now being used successfully at ora

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread David Neary
Hi Sven Sven Neumann wrote: > I don't see what's wrong with needing a jhbuild type of script to ease > compilation (not that I have ever felt the need to use jhbuild). GIMP > is not a desktop application. It is (or should become if it isn't yet) > an image manipulation suite. We have several sets

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If that's the case, we're working towards needing a jhbuild or a > garnome for the GIMP, which just doesn't seem right - we're a > desktop application, not a suite of developer libraries and > desktop applications. We have one set of developers, not s

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread David Neary
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: > David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If that's the case, we're working towards needing a jhbuild or a > > garnome for the GIMP [snip...] > > If everything ended up in one tarball, with a single-step build, > > that would be grand. But I don't believe that's the in

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is what I understand Sven wants, eventually. As I understand > it, if you're building from source, you're a developer. > Otherwise, get the binaries, which will have everything packaged > in. If I misunderstand Sven's point of view, I'm sure that

Re: [Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread David Neary
Hi, William Skaggs wrote: > Dave Neary wrote: > > Splitting > > stuff off feels an awful lot like putting it out to pasture. The > > goal of just having the core application, with no plug-ins, no > > image data structures, no scripts, and a minimum number of brushes, > > patterns and gradients doe

[Gimp-developer] on splitting things off

2004-09-08 Thread William Skaggs
Sven Neumann wrote: > I am not going to allow the source tree > to be clobbered with more stuff simply because we are too lazy to add > some simple notes to our web-site and FTP server. In the long run we > will want to split GIMP into even more packages. Dave Neary wrote: > On another note, I'm