Re: RFC: The future of The GIMP

2000-12-13 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Jon Winters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We should keep in mind that the vast majority of Gimp users are not > compiling from source. A shell script is not something those folks > understand. Their reaction will be... Heh.. Where are all the plugins, > this sucks! Please keep in mind tha

Re: RFC: The future of The GIMP

2000-12-13 Thread Jon Winters
Your last email looks good! Something for everyone! I should have added that the "craplet" that I described could have a "get plugins from CDROM" button that could facilitate installing plugins from CD. You are correct... it is hard to imagine a computer without an internet connection. ;-)

Re: RFC: The future of The GIMP

2000-12-13 Thread Lourens Veen
Jon Winters wrote: > > We should keep in mind that the vast majority of Gimp users are not > compiling from source. A shell script is not something those folks > understand. Their reaction will be... Heh.. Where are all the plugins, > this sucks! Yep. Most users won't read the README either so

Re: RFC: The future of The GIMP

2000-12-13 Thread Jon Winters
We should keep in mind that the vast majority of Gimp users are not compiling from source. A shell script is not something those folks understand. Their reaction will be... Heh.. Where are all the plugins, this sucks! Then large numbers of them will post to the gimp-devel list wondering WTF ha

Re: [Uwe Koloska] Menus/shortcuts/etc

2000-12-13 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 04:36:16PM +0100, Tino Schwarze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is _no_ Unix way. Yes, there is: > Look at Netscape's shortcuts, e.g. "Close Window". They are all configurable ;) I, for example, press alt-f4 (window-manager) or "esc" (netscape configuration). The un

Re: [Uwe Koloska] Menus/shortcuts/etc

2000-12-13 Thread Nick Lamb
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 04:36:16PM +0100, Tino Schwarze wrote: > Look at Netscape's shortcuts, e.g. "Close Window". > - on Sun: ALT-W > - on Irix: CTRL-W (consistent with other Irix applications) > - on Linux: ALT-W > - on Windows: CTRL-W That's a legacy feature, caused by the Emacs lobby. In mod

compilation 1.1.30

2000-12-13 Thread regis rampnoux
I have always 2 trouble when compilin The Gimp: 1 - minor devel-docs/pdb/Makefile sed: ./devel-docs/pdb/Makefile.in: No such file or directory Warning: the following files are missing in your kit: po/Makefile.PL po/update.sh Please inform the author. 2 - more important! /usr/l

Re: [Uwe Koloska] Menus/shortcuts/etc

2000-12-13 Thread Tino Schwarze
Hi there, On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:58:01PM +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I had to laugh about this one for a little bit: > > > we must think about the Unix way! Being inspired by MacOS, BeOS, NextStep > > and even WinXX but finding a truly Unix solution. > You mean, we must create hundreds

Re: [quinet] Menus, shortcuts, and internationalization

2000-12-13 Thread timecop
This one covers a lot of things I previous mentioned in a bit better tone. Quoting comes from Raphael Quinet's post #12115. Wow, finally a person who understands my concerns, and is actually an active gimp developer, so that things could really change :) > Although I don't like timecop's style an

Re: [Uwe Koloska] Menus/shortcuts/etc

2000-12-13 Thread timecop
I had to laugh about this one for a little bit: > we must think about the Unix way! Being inspired by MacOS, BeOS, NextStep > and even WinXX but finding a truly Unix solution. You mean, we must create hundreds of inconsistent versions of the same thing, make it outrageously difficult for users to

Re: RFC: The future of The GIMP

2000-12-13 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:51:42PM +0100, Lourens Veen wrote: >1) User downloads source from gimp.org, and compiles and installs gimp >himself >2) User downloads and installs an RPM (or other package) from the net >(either directly, or via an ftp install of his favourite distribution). >3) User in

Re: RFC: The future of The GIMP

2000-12-13 Thread Lourens Veen
Hi again, I've thought of 3 installation scenarios: 1) User downloads source from gimp.org, and compiles and installs gimp himself 2) User downloads and installs an RPM (or other package) from the net (either directly, or via an ftp install of his favourite distribution). 3) User installs gimp w

Re: RFC: The future of The GIMP

2000-12-13 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Tino Schwarze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why would you want to reinvent the wheel? Follow Unix philosophy: Use > tools which are already there. > > I propose: > 1. let the user use the package tool she wants > 2. make plugins relocateable (I guess, not only RPM can do that) > 3. provide

Re: RFC: The future of The GIMP

2000-12-13 Thread Tino Schwarze
Hi, On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 02:52:56PM -0500, Adrian Likins wrote: > > > As for the plugin distribution, I think the nicest way would be to have > > > a plugin manager that would enable you to download plugins from the web > > > on the fly. Something Linux distributions have too, you just connect

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: repetitive stress . . .

2000-12-13 Thread Garry R. Osgood
Simon Budig wrote: > Garry R. Osgood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > If he *has* a recent version, then there is a bug (failure to telescope error > > messages), which a bug report would have indicated immediately. > > He has not, there are three tools missing in the toolbox. > Correct. And no se

Re: Request To Revert Curve Tool

2000-12-13 Thread Garry R. Osgood
David Hodson wrote: > > The reason I made the change is that: > * the tool (one of them, at least) _did_ actually keep the old > settings, [The curve tool ], it just didn't display the > parameters correctly; and > * the reset button is right there, if you need it. True, almost -- never displaye

Re: suggestion for gimp 1.3 and later

2000-12-13 Thread Austin Donnelly
On Wednesday, 13 Dec 2000, Rebecca J. Walter wrote: > "Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-12-13 at 0057.14 +0100): > > > I think it would be a good idea to add a grid function like some other > > > > Are you speaking about something like the Perl script

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: repetitive stress . . .

2000-12-13 Thread Simon Budig
Garry R. Osgood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > If he *has* a recent version, then there is a bug (failure to telescope error > messages), which a bug report would have indicated immediately. He has not, there are three tools missing in the toolbox. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: repetitive stress . . .

2000-12-13 Thread Garry R. Osgood
Marc Lehmann wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 09:46:21PM -0500, Andy Deck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The attached image demonstrates a problem > > that I think ought to be remedied... > > Basically, when the disk is full, there is not much one can do. BTW: what, > *exactly*, is your problem?

Re: suggestion for gimp 1.3 and later

2000-12-13 Thread Rebecca J. Walter
"Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-12-13 at 0057.14 +0100): > > I think it would be a good idea to add a grid function like some other > > Are you speaking about something like the Perl scripts that create a > grid and remove guides? i ran one of those to

Re: Request To Revert Curve Tool

2000-12-13 Thread David Hodson
"Garry R. Osgood" wrote: > Well, after two weeks of trying the new behaviour, I find myself > not liking it and request that the initial range transform from > old to new just be the identity transform, as it was > before. I'm not in front of my Linux box right now, and I was changing the levels